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I'm watching Perry Marshall's work for years.
Too bad it is quite difficult for me because of cursed english
These questions are unavoidable for any individual who can think a little bit.
And you must have to build up your own standpoint, on which you are rely in your life.
It is much more easy, I think, if you are deeply religious.
If you not, you will find yourself in continous trouble and dubiety, just as me.
In this debate I'm stands on the side of Martin Gately and Laszlo G Meszaros: (probably he is Hungarian, as me)
?Not only has Dawkins ruined science. He?s ruined atheism too.?
 
No worries, we are building our own evolution - into cyborgs, then pure machine intelligence.

I agree that we're building our own evolution, but without cyborgs and machine intelligence. The environment and society we live in has changed rapidly for the last few hundred years. An alarming trend in urban areas (like where I live) is that smart, motivated people are having only one or two kids (or none at all like me) while stupid, lazy people pop out kids left and right. The smart, motivated people have to go to work not only to pay for their own stuff, but also have to pay for all the stuff for about 2 or 3 families of 5-7 people each.

I've seen the exact opposite in feral urban dogs. In some neighborhoods, people unfortunately turn their animals out into the street all the time. These neighborhoods always have roving packs of feral dogs. There's no Fluffy the cockapoodle in these packs either. Almost all the dogs look like 40 pound runt German Shepherd mutts. But they're not German Shepherd mutts and are not even suitable for domestication. This all happens in about 3 generations!

I am not saying this as a political comment. I am pointing out the obvious ramifications for human evolution.

Evolution isn't linear.
It sure isn't.
 
You know, I agree with you. The whole system is unfair and tainted by greed and corruption. It is grossly imperfect, I must agree.

But my point is being missed. Without technology, which to be implemented requires a degree of cooperation, I still contend that the population would crash. Best case scenario I think would be that we would become more insular and self sufficient communities.

I look at things from a sociological perspective. How much have we changed in 2500 years? Not very much; human evolution is pretty rapid but nowhere near as rapid as the changes in society. We evolved to live in small groups and deal with maybe a few hundred people over the course of a lifetime. How many people can you know that well? You can "know" thousands or even millions of people on your Fakebook account, but can you know them all well enough to live with them, trade with them, cooperate with them, actually rub elbows with them in a real (read facetime) community? Of course not. Society is light years ahead of our actual, innate social abilities. We as a species have a lot of catching up to do. It is my contention that this poses some real social problems, as well as open the door for all kinds of abuses by people that actually understand this dynamic- the very same "leaders" that we all (well not all of us😉) look up to, worship, depend on. Just look at the news.


I also 100% agree.

When I see a mother reading a phone whilst crossing the road with pushchair in the other hand I think they must be very lonely to need this. I have without any input from me unlearnt these phones. My very cheap Nokia has the best scientific calculator I own ( no antilog so I have to approximate which is easy ) so also I am addicted to that. It's MP3 is better than it should be and the FM also. Texts get me away from actually talking to someone,so that's useful. Other than that the bit the rest use bores me.
 
Jared Diamond does a lot of technology and social evolution synthesis

he claims not immediately killing people not closely related that are trespassing on your land is a very recent in the existence of Homo Sap cultural development

at least from his experience in Papua New Guinea highlands
 
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I don't know, how they lived, but I know how we live:
We are in a constant fear, they ruins my wife's flowers, so she burst out in tears.
I'm also in a fear because of my cats, because I know, my neighbours hate cats.
They say, we like flowers and animals, but I must have to ask:
Only if these are all dead?
 
This is the nature of human beings, we are still territorial. This is one of the reasons I love to go walking on public access land or the beach or just the street. It amused me a few years ago when a new neighbour moved next door, the back garden was completely overgrown and almost the first thing he did was go out and cut it all down, it made me think of a dog ******* around the boundary of his territory. That was 8 years ago, he hasn't used the back garden since.
 
Jared Diamond does a lot of technology and social evolution synthesis

he claims not immediately killing people not closely related that are trespassing on your land is a very recent in the existence of Homo Sap cultural development

at least from his experience in Papua New Guinea highlands

Our obsession with the value of a single human life is relatively recent, and only in some parts of the world. I don't know what triggered it, but from an evolutionary pov it doesn't make a lot of sense.

Jan
 
Isn't the afterlife a kind of life? No, nevermind, we won't go there, haha. "Heaven is a place where nothing ever happens". It's fake news, I think most people don't really care about people they have no connection too, and if they appear to, it's probably because they are imagining themselves or someone they love in a similar situation.
 
Jared Diamond does a lot of technology and social evolution synthesis

he claims not immediately killing people not closely related that are trespassing on your land is a very recent in the existence of Homo Sap cultural development

at least from his experience in Papua New Guinea highlands

Our obsession with the value of a single human life is relatively recent, and only in some parts of the world. I don't know what triggered it, but from an evolutionary pov it doesn't make a lot of sense.

Jan

^ Religion?

I'm also not comfortable with english language but I'll try. This is an example of human evolution. We progressively move(d) from - I google common or customary but I'm not sure - law of the ancient races to what we know as roman law. You could read about Solon and Cicero. Also, in case you haven't allready, read F. Engels' "The Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State"
 
I'm also not comfortable with english language but I'll try. This is an example of human evolution. We progressively move(d) from - I google common or customary but I'm not sure - law of the ancient races to what we know as roman law. You could read about Solon and Cicero. Also, in case you haven't allready, read F. Engels' "The Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State"

Engels is a good read, as well as the early Marx. If you read some of his early work he just sounds like a modern day neocon. Then, for some reason about which historians still scratch their head, he changed his views radically.

Jan
 
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