Flat Earthers

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Erasmus Darwin is said to be the real father of the ideas of Charles Darwin. I think the ideas centre on Lichfield and involve Matthew Bolton and the Lunar Society that includes James Watt. These people really are to me the second enlightement and I count Mr Turner's picture of Dudley as seeing that. Almost people from a Jane Austen story who shape the world. Poor Birmingham almost forgotten in all of this. Charles Darwin it is said couldn't stand medicine as it was, instead he went to to sail the world to catalogue plants etc. There I suspect the words of Erasmus must have had a reality that he could ponder.

I suspect we still are in a Flat Earth time with evolution. DNA shows more and is how we infer what we have in the past mostly guessed.
 
Interesting. The same people who think that the Flat Earth is hooey, and that a conspiracy of the magnitude needed to pretend a round earth is untenable, have no problem accepting that we may all be a giant computer sim.

You pick your own fantasies, I suppose. 😀
 
Nah, hack the computer that runs the sim....LSD!


I like how you think!!


I can see the new signature now;

"Tubelab, melting tubes and faces"

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Here is something that seems unlikely. The mass centre of our Solar Sysem ( Barycenter ) is said to be a fair distance from the centre of the Sun. It is a complex thing and can only be a snapshot. Knowing the mass of the Sun to be very large ( Circa 2 x 10^30 kg ) it asks how come. As about 99% of the mass of the Solar System is the Sun, the idea of a shifted centre seems unlikely. However better men and women than me say so. If I understand correctly the Earth rotates circa 8 minutes behind that latest snapshot centre. We should infer that gravity acts at the speed of light from that. You can understand anyone saying big deal. Now we detect planets far from home using this idea. One has to take a lot on trust to see this picture. If not a lifetime of study with the chance you see it no more clearly at the end. Infering gravity is doing aything we understand is not easy.

Wasn't Pluto a surprise. Get the best brains together and get it mostly wrong. There is a small possibility of a big planet out there somewhere. I might have 30 years to live. It would be wonderful if it was found. Too far away is my guess. Best guess is 660 times the distance from the Earth to the Sun with 17 000 year orbit of the Sun with mass about 10 times our Earth. The same type of guess was required to get Columbus to take a chance. He got it mostly wrong, that's how we start to change things.

James Clerk Maxwell is our great hero. He seems to be the shoulders all others stood upon and he perhaps on Faraday. I take the vacuum tube as a thing shouting to be invented. It takes great courage to prove things aren't what they seem. From my small scale the world is flat for most of my uses. BTW. I doubt if people who change thinking laugh at others who can not or will not see. They are so aware of the way thinking goes they keep it to themselves until proof becomes very large. Some even die with their ideas. Friends always suspected Michael Gerzon did. Audio was his hobby, maths his life.
 
Or, one requires belief, as it's contradicted by many things, the other is a theory and requires no belief, just study, as it may or may not be correct.

“The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it.”
 
A globular Earth also requires belief by the vast majority of its proponents. Only a handful have directly experienced it, and maybe a few thousand have measured it, directly or indirectly. The other 7 billion just believe what they've been taught.
 
It's not lame. It's just that it's not practical to question everything. We've discussed that before. However, when questioned about what they've been taught, most people have no good reply, no real thought process behind why they believe what they do. It's basically a faith in what you've been told. And people can get very defensive about challenged faith.

Also, please tell me why it's a "totally spurious argument."
 
It's not lame. It's just that it's not practical to question everything. We've discussed that before. However, when questioned about what they've been taught, most people have no good reply, no real thought process behind why they believe what they do. It's basically a faith in what you've been told. And people can get very defensive about challenged faith.

Also, please tell me why it's a "totally spurious argument."

I think it's not just faith. It is civilization. Individual's opinion may come and go. What matters is what it stays to form our culture. Today's conservatives are the keepers or yesterday's revolutionaries. Another way to see this is to take the example of cancer disease. So many conspiracy theories about discovered cure being kept secret. From time to time an "one and only holder of the truth" comes to save people from pain. What stays is science. Little by little some forms of cancer can be cured nowdays!

We are told we evolved from a common ancestor which looked almost exactly like the apes of today, so I guess the apes of today are the retarded humans that did not evolve. LOL

No! Paleontology does not say this.
 
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