If you are suggesting that religion is, in your view, about clinging to an arcane and non-rational belief system while ignoring solid scientific evidence then that is exactly the sort of statement which is disallowed on this forum. Religious discussion is banned here not because everyone here agrees religion is false, but because we agree that discussing it is inappropriate for this forum. Criticising it, as you appear to do, is a form of discussion.kevinahcc20 said:
Your definition of religion would lead to banning of most audio cable discussions too. Some might welcome that!
The Quantum point is a good one. It shows a controling quality which is hard to believe should be true. Paralell Universes seem to be helpful ideas, much like the idea of infinity was to Calculus, I strongly believe zero and infinity to be man made concepts with no reality ( they are super useful, that's a reality in itself ). One of Quantum's paradox's famously is when two or more photons show when one was sent. An idea says it is a brief glimp of the other Universes. How cute. I think I would believe that more than zero.
One thing that Chaos maths says is that linearity is not the normal situation. The next point is hard to prove, it results from Chaos theories. When a turbulant system is pushed very hard a new ordered state is produced ( linear ). If an aircraft wing it is likely all the bad things take control and we crash ( if a domestic aircraft ). The system can be pushed harder still to become turbulant again. The next linear phase arrives and is by whatever measure shorter. The specualtion is that the Universe is a linear phase. I don't seek a similarity with similar concepts if asking.
It is said computers will very soon out think us, my guess is 10 years. The reason being is that any idea is worth throwing into the pot to see where is goes when a computer. As for the world being flat , Herodotous knew it wasn't. If you never read it you should. I like the canals of Eygpt bit. If some twit says the desert had water as the Pyramids were wet at one time Herodotus tells you why ( The Sphinx is a good read ). There is virtually none of the forbiden subject in it. He also says about the time 11 000 years before and thinks forward 20 000 years. He says he believes the 11 000 year stories as the people telling it didn't hesitate which to him is a good sign of the truth. I love the fact he is happy to think they weren't. He had heard of a river called Ocean which might encircle the world. His stories of the Nile were almost exactly right, he makes no claim they are. He warned much food would be needed to cross the desert on the Nile and one would arrive where other tribes exist. The 20 000 years bit was that he thought the Nile might join the Red Sea in that time. I was reading my copy in Corfu. The girls serving tables were very amused. They found it a pain at school as it was in ancient Greek. They said in English would be easier and that's allowing for not being in modern Greek script!
People like me who love Vinyl were called Flat Earthers. When CD first arrived it was strongly said not liking it was a sign of stupidity. To be honest early CD wasn't great. The maths even backs that up. Crystal were the first to convince me the world was changing. I still use their 20 bit Delta Sigma chip.
One thing that Chaos maths says is that linearity is not the normal situation. The next point is hard to prove, it results from Chaos theories. When a turbulant system is pushed very hard a new ordered state is produced ( linear ). If an aircraft wing it is likely all the bad things take control and we crash ( if a domestic aircraft ). The system can be pushed harder still to become turbulant again. The next linear phase arrives and is by whatever measure shorter. The specualtion is that the Universe is a linear phase. I don't seek a similarity with similar concepts if asking.
It is said computers will very soon out think us, my guess is 10 years. The reason being is that any idea is worth throwing into the pot to see where is goes when a computer. As for the world being flat , Herodotous knew it wasn't. If you never read it you should. I like the canals of Eygpt bit. If some twit says the desert had water as the Pyramids were wet at one time Herodotus tells you why ( The Sphinx is a good read ). There is virtually none of the forbiden subject in it. He also says about the time 11 000 years before and thinks forward 20 000 years. He says he believes the 11 000 year stories as the people telling it didn't hesitate which to him is a good sign of the truth. I love the fact he is happy to think they weren't. He had heard of a river called Ocean which might encircle the world. His stories of the Nile were almost exactly right, he makes no claim they are. He warned much food would be needed to cross the desert on the Nile and one would arrive where other tribes exist. The 20 000 years bit was that he thought the Nile might join the Red Sea in that time. I was reading my copy in Corfu. The girls serving tables were very amused. They found it a pain at school as it was in ancient Greek. They said in English would be easier and that's allowing for not being in modern Greek script!
People like me who love Vinyl were called Flat Earthers. When CD first arrived it was strongly said not liking it was a sign of stupidity. To be honest early CD wasn't great. The maths even backs that up. Crystal were the first to convince me the world was changing. I still use their 20 bit Delta Sigma chip.
There's the nub of it of course - defining exactly what constitutes a religion, and what does not. That issue is constantly skirted and avoided, as are many things in science... Even legally, it's a mess... So, perhaps it's valid to idly wonder if Flat Earthers constitute a religion. I assume religious discussion, as with politics, is banned here as the discussion tends to overheat very fast.
Now, thermal runaway is appropriate to discuss! 😀
Maybe the nub of it is we always have right or wrong views of things. Einstein was more what people wanted to hear. In time due to it being workable other ideas became useful. I was told by someone Quantum is just an idea looking for a better conventional proof. Maybe. What was great about Einstein was his laws looked as simple as Ohms. I am always convinced by things looking simple. Like Ohms we can add bits if we please. Take very much to heart the computers taking our jobs. If we will not think outside of our comfort zones our bosses will dump us ( did they ever really like us, we can be trouble ). I will no longer be able to make my boss think I have the answers if I don't. I hope I am wrong.
What does Einstein have to do with Quantum anything except that he hated it and spent most of his live trying to disprove Quantum Mechanics?
Einstein failed but while trying helped discovering Bose-Einstein Condensate which earned him his only Nobel prize.
Einstein failed but while trying helped discovering Bose-Einstein Condensate which earned him his only Nobel prize.
For Round Universe thinkers.
https://myalberteinstein.com/2015/1...paradox-er-and-epr-wormhole-and-entanglement/
https://myalberteinstein.com/2015/1...paradox-er-and-epr-wormhole-and-entanglement/
I suspect like me he was happier with a world with less answers. As time goes by I like Einstein most. Good enough Einstein. My work is mostly good enough.
Einstein was clever enough to understand quantum physics well enough to see that it was truly strange. He believed that the universe could not be that strange. It seems that he was wrong. In my opinion, he was cleverer than the average physicist who simply does the quantum calculations and tries not to think too much about how strange it all is. And, of course, Einstein's doubts about quantum physics were on a different level from the doubts expressed by people who would not recognise a wavefunction if one dropped on their foot.
That's exactly the point. I am not sure he was wrong so much as in love with sceince as it had been for a long time. What was so remarkable when him was to see clearly and make much of it understandable even to school kids. I think the shifted position stars seen via eclipse is a good example.
Maybe he was right. This one universe maybe to his way of thinking. There may also be many. They if you like are not this one exactly.
Maybe he was right. This one universe maybe to his way of thinking. There may also be many. They if you like are not this one exactly.
That would collapse both the wave function and their foot... Or, would it cause foot entanglement and a total collapse?
I want to give you an example of how even great minds like Einstein can fail to see simple errors. Alistair Cooke had a radio show called Letter from America. One week it was about buying a new to him Toyota car at 92. The stories usually came to an interesting point at the end of the show. One was about a neighbour who insisted shaving foam was a waste of money as the water in the foam was doing the main job. The neighbour was Mr Einstein and Cooke to that very day only used water. One day when my shaving foam was empty I tried t. Yes it did work except for one thing. You can't see where you have shaved. More interesting to me is that Cooke would not question it because Mr E said it. I can understand Flat Earth believers. In many ways it looks flat, more so if Belgium. We take peoples word for things and then find they were wrong, or not saying what people want to hear.
Here is a thing. I was reading Encyclopaedia Britannica in a friends house. It was from about 1900. There was plenty electro-magnetic stuff with tons of maths. There was no indication of what was about to happen next in many sciences. It was all very unreal. And yet it was Encyclopaedia Britannica as I know it ( mine is 1970's ) . The most interesting pages to me were arc street lights and how the old gas lighters were now learning how to keep arc lights working. I guess this was a very short history. I thought to myself, if I could time travel I would patent the thermionic triode and pentode in about 1900. I think I could just about make examples to sell. It would not come from nowhere and I am sure change history greatly. The Titanic might not sink as an example. The Wall Street Crash might not happen also. Einstein might not have had his thoughts. And all by messing with a lightbulb.
Here is a thing. I was reading Encyclopaedia Britannica in a friends house. It was from about 1900. There was plenty electro-magnetic stuff with tons of maths. There was no indication of what was about to happen next in many sciences. It was all very unreal. And yet it was Encyclopaedia Britannica as I know it ( mine is 1970's ) . The most interesting pages to me were arc street lights and how the old gas lighters were now learning how to keep arc lights working. I guess this was a very short history. I thought to myself, if I could time travel I would patent the thermionic triode and pentode in about 1900. I think I could just about make examples to sell. It would not come from nowhere and I am sure change history greatly. The Titanic might not sink as an example. The Wall Street Crash might not happen also. Einstein might not have had his thoughts. And all by messing with a lightbulb.
Don´t understand me wrong, but within science is some hypocrisy.
Science says --- seeing is believing (often used in discussion- if God exists), but all citizens were JUST told in school that Earth is a ball.
From this point, science and religion have equal amount of BS.
Yet no citizen, (except few lucky astronauts) could see themselves the Earth.
Until my eyes see the Earth from space, i have valid point to call both groups as liars.
I find amusing, how Earth looks different over tenths of years, sometimes like "child monkeying on photoshop"
Science says --- seeing is believing (often used in discussion- if God exists), but all citizens were JUST told in school that Earth is a ball.
From this point, science and religion have equal amount of BS.
Yet no citizen, (except few lucky astronauts) could see themselves the Earth.
Until my eyes see the Earth from space, i have valid point to call both groups as liars.
I find amusing, how Earth looks different over tenths of years, sometimes like "child monkeying on photoshop"
First time reading this thread. I avoided it until now as I initially thought this thread and the term flat-earthers referred to those that don't believe that cables make a difference...from another forum. Don't wanna go there...
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First time reading this thread. I avoided it until now as I initially thought this thread and the term flat-earthers referred to those that don't believe that cables make a difference...from another forum. Don't wanna go there...
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