Hey guys i was looking at a yamaha mgp16x with two dsr112's and a dsr118w sub. I want to do vocals and mic up my drumset. can you offer anything that is better or comparable for around $2500? Any advice for a firsttimer would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
I would look at a pair of EV ELX112P with an ELX118P.
Probably less money and better sounding.
For the mixer you might look at the MGP12X.
Street prices mixer $600
ELX112P. Also $600 ea.
the ELX118p $800
Total $2,600. A bit of haggle will get you below $2,500.
Probably less money and better sounding.
For the mixer you might look at the MGP12X.
Street prices mixer $600
ELX112P. Also $600 ea.
the ELX118p $800
Total $2,600. A bit of haggle will get you below $2,500.
In you opinion those have better sound quality? I read that the samsungs have better vocal components in the speakers but let me know if something else changes the way it sounds.
I'd go with the Yamaha gear.
FWIW, the DSR gear is designed to go loud, but DXR apparently sounds a bit nicer, producing more low end without assistance from subs.
Chris
FWIW, the DSR gear is designed to go loud, but DXR apparently sounds a bit nicer, producing more low end without assistance from subs.
Chris
I've not enough experience with various brands to strongly suggest alternatives, but a few small things:
- keep enough budget for accessories. A flight case for the mixer, stands for the speakers, cables (audio and power!), various adapters, DIs all quickly add-up. You might want a small snake to keep things tidy around your drums too.
- don't underestimate the number of mic pre you need. Nothing worse than missing inputs on your mixer. I'd rather downgrade on the mixer line than go up in features by sacrificing inputs (within reason of course).
- if you're always using a sub and low passed tops, I'd consider 10" instead of 12". Easier to carry around and not a big difference in output. A dxr10 saves you 6.5kg compared to a dsr112.
- keep enough budget for accessories. A flight case for the mixer, stands for the speakers, cables (audio and power!), various adapters, DIs all quickly add-up. You might want a small snake to keep things tidy around your drums too.
- don't underestimate the number of mic pre you need. Nothing worse than missing inputs on your mixer. I'd rather downgrade on the mixer line than go up in features by sacrificing inputs (within reason of course).
- if you're always using a sub and low passed tops, I'd consider 10" instead of 12". Easier to carry around and not a big difference in output. A dxr10 saves you 6.5kg compared to a dsr112.
Less money yes but better sounding? Not even close. The DSRs will totally blow away those EVs. The Yamahas have bigger drivers, much more advanced DSP and a lot more power on tap(1300w continuous vs 250w), they are in another league altogether when it comes to clarity of vocals and output potential, in fact if you wanted to build a balanced system to fully utilize the output potential of a pair of DSR112s you would need 4 of those DSR118 subs. That doesn't mean a single sub won't be effective for your uses, it just means you may never really push the 112s very hard.. which is a good thing. If you can get all that gear for $2500 you won 't be disappointed, I certainly can't buy it for that here in Canada.
If you gotta mic your drums, you must be playing insanely loud or in a VERY large place, in which case you're gonna need a sound man to run it; I'd get his advice.
Depends how much of the drums need to go through the PA.
Couple of examples (assume both are reasonably loud rock bands)...
My own PA - pair of good 2x10" tops, 4x15" subs. I'd probably go for kick and a single overhead. Plenty of kick, since that bottom end oomph is often lost with an acoustic kit. Add in the overhead to fill in the rest if the kit isn't quite keeping up acoustically.
40KW of Nexo Alpha - mic everything. Snare top, snare bottom, all the toms, hi-hat, maybe even individual cymbals. Two kick mics. You get the idea. Make sure you have enough channels on the desk - a drum kit can eat 12 if you're going all-out.
I'd say the PA we're talking about here would come in at less headroom than mine, so minimal micing will be required, unless you're a quiet drummer. If you are a quiet drummer, you're going to need either a bigger desk, or a submix desk just for drums.
Chris
PS - if you really are a quiet drummer, please come and teach the local drummers how to do it.
Couple of examples (assume both are reasonably loud rock bands)...
My own PA - pair of good 2x10" tops, 4x15" subs. I'd probably go for kick and a single overhead. Plenty of kick, since that bottom end oomph is often lost with an acoustic kit. Add in the overhead to fill in the rest if the kit isn't quite keeping up acoustically.
40KW of Nexo Alpha - mic everything. Snare top, snare bottom, all the toms, hi-hat, maybe even individual cymbals. Two kick mics. You get the idea. Make sure you have enough channels on the desk - a drum kit can eat 12 if you're going all-out.
I'd say the PA we're talking about here would come in at less headroom than mine, so minimal micing will be required, unless you're a quiet drummer. If you are a quiet drummer, you're going to need either a bigger desk, or a submix desk just for drums.
Chris
PS - if you really are a quiet drummer, please come and teach the local drummers how to do it.
There is a lot of good gear out there and depending on where you buy you'll get different deals. Based on my own experience of mixing on a number of systems over 18 years, there is not a lot in it between brands at a similar price level and the quality you get out of the system will probably be more dependant on how good your mix and mics are than anything. For the majority of venues we'll run a pair of RCF 12" and horn tops with a single 15" EV sub (sbA760) and I'll put a fully mic'd drum kit through that to fill the sound out.
So my advice would be to audition a few things in your price bracket, but as Ben said, don't underestimate the number of inputs you might need and consider one of the digital mixers (perhaps a second hand or ex-demo) that will give you a few extra features to make it easier to maintain a mix if you don't have a dedicated engineer.
So my advice would be to audition a few things in your price bracket, but as Ben said, don't underestimate the number of inputs you might need and consider one of the digital mixers (perhaps a second hand or ex-demo) that will give you a few extra features to make it easier to maintain a mix if you don't have a dedicated engineer.
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