as has been said the PSU filter will only reduce RF entering and leaving the power supply from the mains. These are not necessary. The real benefit however is the convenient package, i.e double pole switch fuse
where does this conclusion come from?Ted205 said:the PSU filter will only reduce RF entering and leaving the power supply from the mains. These are not necessary.
Sometimes called dysfunction
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You ask here at DIY and don't take the time to listen and then youve ordered something based on a digikey guys advice and now youve come back here to solve your problem. Hmm... perhaps you should contact the guy at digikey again.
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You ask here at DIY and don't take the time to listen and then youve ordered something based on a digikey guys advice and now youve come back here to solve your problem. Hmm... perhaps you should contact the guy at digikey again.
Re: Sometimes called dysfunction
I asked for advice. Your advice came too late. Nonetheless, I followed the advice about the single pole fuse. I told the guy at Mouser (not Digikey) exactly what I wanted. He indicated the drawer I needed to buy to meet the advice received on this forum. He recommened the wrong one.
I haven't come back for you to solve the problem. I know what the solution is in this instance.......get the right drawer. I am just reporting back on progress.
That's a bit unfair.infinia said:Hi
You ask here at DIY and don't take the time to listen and then youve ordered something based on a digikey guys advice and now youve come back here to solve your problem. Hmm... perhaps you should contact the guy at digikey again.
I asked for advice. Your advice came too late. Nonetheless, I followed the advice about the single pole fuse. I told the guy at Mouser (not Digikey) exactly what I wanted. He indicated the drawer I needed to buy to meet the advice received on this forum. He recommened the wrong one.
I haven't come back for you to solve the problem. I know what the solution is in this instance.......get the right drawer. I am just reporting back on progress.
The part number of the one I want is 4301.1413. This comes with a shorting bar on the neutral. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a UK distributor...or at least I can't find one one Google. Farnell, RS and the usual suspects make a special delivery charge i.e. it's not stocked in the UK.
So, it looks like I'm going to have to buy them from Mouser and, to avoid the £12 delivery charge, I'm gonna have to spend £50.
This is a major bummer.
So, it looks like I'm going to have to buy them from Mouser and, to avoid the £12 delivery charge, I'm gonna have to spend £50.
This is a major bummer.
Rather than bleat, I've bitten the bullet and just bought them. To make the order up, I've bought three of the standard filter modules and 5 of the drawers.
I'll use two of the standard filter modules on the power amps and the third on the pre-amp (future project).
The cost of these modules is really ramping up......maybe I can sell the two medical filter modules on ebay to try and recoup some of the costs.
I'll use two of the standard filter modules on the power amps and the third on the pre-amp (future project).
The cost of these modules is really ramping up......maybe I can sell the two medical filter modules on ebay to try and recoup some of the costs.
So the Mouser salesman did not recognize his fault?
http://www.schurter.de/wwwsc/con_wal.asp?language_id=10
http://www.schurter.de/wwwsc/con_wal.asp?language_id=10
I didn't pursue the matter. Unfortunately, instant messenger doesn't provide the concrete evidence that an email does. Ultimately, I made the order. It's my mistake.
I just hope I've got it right this time....or I could end up being the latest UK distributor!
I just hope I've got it right this time....or I could end up being the latest UK distributor!
PJ, assorted IEC sockets are sold by practically every supplier of electronics gear. Over here, even the crappiest store has a range of a few types.
Do you have any electronics suppliers locally - even basic ones? They're worth using for this sort of hardware, if not the more esoteric stuff.
Stuey
Do you have any electronics suppliers locally - even basic ones? They're worth using for this sort of hardware, if not the more esoteric stuff.
Stuey
AndrewT said:where does this conclusion come from?
The filters are used to help meet EMI / RFI emissions standards. As already sugested by Juergen Knoop in an earlier post "rf will enter your amp at the other 'inputs' (audio in + speakerout) "
For diy you can I live without them.
Ted205 said:PSU filter will only reduce RF entering and leaving the power supply from the mains. These are not necessary.
I believe you are wrong.Ted205 said:
For diy you can I live without them.
That is why I always advise that any and every buffer and amplifier has an RF filter on the input. Without exception.
Using my guitar amp's schematic as an example, there are "filters" that curtail high frequencies in many places, almost all feedback loops on every op-amp stage. Is that what you meant or did you mean power line local bypass small capacitors (100uF) positioned close to the op-amp chips?
AndrewT said:
I believe you are wrong.
That is why I always advise that any and every buffer and amplifier has an RF filter on the input. Without exception.
i'm referring to power line IEC socket filters.
I agree they are a good idea. I personally use them but they are not strictly needed if you're not concerned with EMI & RFI, for example when building your first simple amp
I believe there is a misunderstanding. If the amp circuit itself is build properly with all the rf precautions, then a IEC inlet filter makes imho only a little difference.AndrewT said:
I believe you are wrong.
That is why I always advise that any and every buffer and amplifier has an RF filter on the input. Without exception.
AND if the amp circuit is not done properly, the IEC inlet filter won't help very much.
Anyway...I use them, if I have them lying around and if I don't have any, I can live without. 😉
regards
Using toroids in the power circuit trades a little DC regulation for little to no mains RF isolation. A better choice is to use a little overrated EI core with a split bobbin. Failing that, then even bigger RFI input filtering is needed and your probably never going to approach the effectiveness of a proper transformer. Twisting wire in cables and proper grounding techniques helps but once RF is inside yor box it's much harder to get rid of.
My emergency store is Maplins (within about 10 miles of me). However, these Schurter modules are a little more tricky to source. Even Farnell (who do not usually charge postage) want £15 to deliver these as they are not stocked in the UK.Stuey said:PJ, assorted IEC sockets are sold by practically every supplier of electronics gear. Over here, even the crappiest store has a range of a few types.
Do you have any electronics suppliers locally - even basic ones? They're worth using for this sort of hardware, if not the more esoteric stuff.
Stuey
However, I haven't checked all the suppliers on the list behind pacificblue's link. But I did check every result returned by Google on the part number.
I biought this from Farnell and never gave it a thought. I also had some older ones from disused/broken PC PSUs, almost exactly the same, come complete with capacitor across L/N already soldered on as a bonus.
http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?SKU=1516058
3 pounds 29 pence
Am I missing something else?
http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?SKU=1516058
3 pounds 29 pence
Am I missing something else?
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I've possibly got carried away with the power inlet modules. That said, they look/feel extremely well made, they come with nice aluminium shielding and the internal components appear to be potted.
Talking about getting carried away, I've been looking at the hookup wire over on Hifi Collective. Gulp. It's not cheap!
I was intending to use my trusty store of Maplin's finest. Will I hear benefits going for something a little more expensive eg the gold plated copper used by Peter Daniel?
I was intending to use my trusty store of Maplin's finest. Will I hear benefits going for something a little more expensive eg the gold plated copper used by Peter Daniel?
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