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spaceman5

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Hi


I saw these speakers:

Behringer 1C:

Behringer_1_C.jpg



and then I saw these speakers:

JBL Control 1Pro:

JBL_Control_1_Pro.jpg




Looks similar?


There's more..


JBL Control 5:

JBL_Control_5.jpg



Pyle PDMN68:

Pyle_PDMN68.jpg




What is this? 🙂


The phenomenon of known companies buying unbranded chinese stuff, and rebranding it with their name via a sticker on the product, is known for tens of years,
but it's a bit surprising to see it being done by companies like JBL..


JBL is not exactly cheap company,
it's quite surprising to see that even they work like that..
 
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Galu said:
There's a big difference in price and specification. Behringer 1C: £44, 25W JBL Control 1 Pro: £104, 150W The internal drivers are most unlikely to be identical.
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Regarding the price: The difference in price may not necessarily be due to difference in internal components, some companies simply allow themselves to charge a lot, from customer who know them and are willing to pay this extra, in a belief they will get something better.

Regarding the specification: That's a bit more helping, yet we should remember that advertised specs can sometimes be "improved" a little bit, so advertised specs is something that should be taken as not necessarily accurate.

(on the other hand, if we had some measured specs, by some user here, showing different measurements with the 2 speakers, then that would be a trustable result that indicates that indeed they bothered putting different drivers.. tho from a company that will buy a ready-made plastic enclosure from a chinese manufacturer, I assume they also bought the built-in drivers without changing it. just an assumption)
 
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spaceman5 said:
The phenomenon of known companies buying unbranded chinese stuff, and rebranding it with their name via a sticker on the product, is known for tens of years,
but it's a bit surprising to see it being done by companies like JBL..


JBL is not exactly cheap company,
it's quite surprising to see that even they work like that..
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You've got it backwards. Those JBL speakers have been in production since the 1990s. It's the other brands that are now producing cheaper 'clones'.
 
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marco_gea said:
You've got it backwards. Those JBL speakers have been in production since the 1990s. It's the other brands that are now producing cheaper 'clones'.
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Mayuri said:
Behringer is well known of producing knock-offs from other manufacturers. Reverse engineering is cheaper than extensive R&D.
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Hmm..
So this is not a case where all these mfrrs bought some unbranded chinese products, and rebranded them with their own name with a sticker,
but a case where one brand (JBL) in this case originally created a product,
and others (Behringer, Pyle) shamelessly copied it?

Wow.

But copying the exact plastic shape?
Aren't there laws against that? 🙂
 
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spaceman5 said:
(on the other hand, if we had some measured specs, by some user here, showing different measurements with the 2 speakers, then that would be a trustable result that indicates that indeed they bothered putting different drivers.. tho from a company that will buy a ready-made plastic enclosure from a chinese manufacturer, I assume they also bought the built-in drivers without changing it. just an assumption)
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Surely the onus is on you to show that the drivers in the Behringer and the JBL are identical. Have you actually compared them, externally and internally?

The JBL Control range of speakers is highly popular and successful and, as a result, has been cloned by other manufacturers for many years.
 
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Galu said:
The JBL Control range of speakers is highly popular and successful and, as a result, has been cloned by other manufacturers for many years.
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I see.

OK thank you very much for this information.

I was sure this is a case of several companies buying the same thing, and just putting their name (and a much different price tag) on it.

Apparently it's a 1-copy-from-other case..

I am still amazed by how the copiers did not even slightly try to make it slightly different,
just so it would not be possible to accuse them of literally copying a product.
Apparently they didn't care..
 
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Different would make it something 'different' and loose the appeal...
But as pointed don't assume they are exact copy. Look is similar, for the rest...
That said some products are not that bad. The behringer Genelec 1031's knock off ( truth something with 31 in the name in case of you didn't know what they are inspired from...) are surprising for their price range.
That said this is typical behringer products: lifespan is limited in time and not made to be serviced, once they are dead you need to buy something else.
Up to you to see if it does fit your ethic (i don't personaly think our planet need a large amount of plastic or other damaging materials than we actually throw at it -and this is one of the 'side effect' the economical model this 'low cost' brands follow) and economical situation (it is a bless for some people to have access to this kind of tools. During 80's early 90's poor musicians -the target of Behringer- couldn't afford this kind of gear or even dream this could exist!).
 
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This is a trend. Even in proaudio! An SSL 9000 desk had 'disposable' strips... this is not entirely true but let's say everybody doesn't have the knowledge,skills and tools to service smd electronics.
This all about our economical model, capitalism and mass producing. In french we have an expression: "apres moi le deluge". This is well adapted to the economical model we are in.
But i think this is not the place to talk about it.

Edit: i took a look at picture you posted, well this is still manageable for a human being. Ever looked into a smartphone? Situation is different... 😉
 
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krivium said:
This all about our economical model, capitalism and mass producing. In french we have an expression: "apres moi le deluge". This is well adapted to the economical model we are in.
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This is more of an American style behavior.
Usually you see the EU taking a stand in such matters,
stuff that cannot be solved in the individual level, but more like in the country level.

I think that countries should create laws that simply forbid importing into them products that are built in such a way that makes them disposable.
After enough big countries pass such laws, mfrrs will have no choice, but to change their ways to the better..
 
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I don't fully agree about that, i think our personal choices matters as much as others.
But please don't push me into this because: i easily go off topic, i've got strong positions about that and think it could break the forum's rules to talk about that in here. 😉
If you want to talk about economics maybe a thread in the lounge sub section could be opened.
 
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krivium said:
I don't fully agree about that, i think our personal choices matters as much as others.
But please don't push me into this because: i easily go off topic, i've got strong positions about that and think it could break the forum's rules to talk about that in here. 😉
If you want to talk about economics maybe a thread in the lounge sub section could be opened.
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OK no problem, subject closed.
 
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