Has anyone ever heard these? I am curious about them. They look really neat. love that they are a seperate panel from the woofer.
http://www.final.nl/
http://www.final.nl/
Very cool looking...
Inverted??? Stators are fixed, audio is fed to the film.
These sales pitches always read like a wine label to me.
Lots of BS...
I'm looking for a dealer nearby to go check 'em out. Although, I imagine I'll continue to DIY my esl.
Inverted??? Stators are fixed, audio is fed to the film.
These sales pitches always read like a wine label to me.
Lots of BS...
I'm looking for a dealer nearby to go check 'em out. Although, I imagine I'll continue to DIY my esl.
I have a pair of 0.3 hybrids. See review:
http://www.avrev.com/equip/final/index.html
I probably have less than 10 hours on them. I have had them in storage for a few years.
http://www.avrev.com/equip/final/index.html
I probably have less than 10 hours on them. I have had them in storage for a few years.
Hi,
Danielm You´re so damn right 😉
Even more BS in the review. Why don´t those reviewers not just simply concentrate on what they might be able to do.... just listen and report? Instead they who generally have not the slightest technical knowledge try to explain technical details and effects.
In some cases this should be the funny kind of literature You normally read on the loo and lough about, but some reviewers read such that You get instant pain
jauu
Calvin
Danielm You´re so damn right 😉
Even more BS in the review. Why don´t those reviewers not just simply concentrate on what they might be able to do.... just listen and report? Instead they who generally have not the slightest technical knowledge try to explain technical details and effects.
In some cases this should be the funny kind of literature You normally read on the loo and lough about, but some reviewers read such that You get instant pain
jauu
Calvin
I have heard them two yers ago and they were great. Very transparent and large sweet spot. One of their employees who demoed them wanted my CD that I asked him to play.
Regards
Charles
Regards
Charles
yeah i dont understand the inverted thing, when you fed audio to the mylar i suppose the hgh current is then on the stator but wheres the rest going ? like say the - or the +
You may find that the Mylar is separatly coated on both sides, + one side and - the other side.
And the HT is applied to both front and rear stators. Maybe, just a guess
Cheers George
And the HT is applied to both front and rear stators. Maybe, just a guess
Cheers George
danielm said:
They have a patent to the inverted technology. Interesting read, how they solve the various problems. Don't know how they sound.
Jan Didden
Hi,
For those who are interested in the inverted technologie from FINAL.
You can find everything here:
http://www.final.nl/downloads/WP-Inverter0905.pdf
Greets
Geert
For those who are interested in the inverted technologie from FINAL.
You can find everything here:
http://www.final.nl/downloads/WP-Inverter0905.pdf
Greets
Geert
I don't understand what they are doing with the super ESL's audio.
Can anyone explain this tap on the mylar?
Can anyone explain this tap on the mylar?
danielm said:
They are electrically segmenting the ESL in a full range and a low segment.
The bigger low segment will have a bigger mylar-stator distance. (f.e. 2.5mm)
So it is tapped of on the 1/100 tap of the tranny, and the resistance will also be higher, so the cut off frequency of the RC is lower.
The small full range segment (high) will have a smaller mylar- stator distance. (f.e. 1mm)
So it is tapped off on the 1/50 tap
The resistance will be low so it stays full range.
At least, this is what I make of it.
Geert
Hi,
You´re right so far with the explanation, but still though this is a constant-voltage ESL and as such no low-distortion design.
It sounds very much like marketing, in the intention to sell something that can be produced cheaper as the better stuff.
The real advantage imo is higher safety potential.
The high bias voltage on the stator is easier to insulate and less dangerous (no current) than the potentially lethal high voltage high current signal that the audio tranny can supply. But apart from that, nothing new, nothing spectacular and nothing better than other ´classical´ ESLs
jauu
Calvin
You´re right so far with the explanation, but still though this is a constant-voltage ESL and as such no low-distortion design.
It sounds very much like marketing, in the intention to sell something that can be produced cheaper as the better stuff.
The real advantage imo is higher safety potential.
The high bias voltage on the stator is easier to insulate and less dangerous (no current) than the potentially lethal high voltage high current signal that the audio tranny can supply. But apart from that, nothing new, nothing spectacular and nothing better than other ´classical´ ESLs
jauu
Calvin
the different step up for different parts of the speaker is nothing new if you ask me, if you want to boost bass you have to. i believe esl100 and up uses the same technic for 30 year or something
OK. I had another look and noticed the break in the diaphragm line which must represent two isolated panels.
I thought they were feeding one large diaphram and it appeared to me that the "100" would be roughly 90 degrees behind the "50". The "100", "50" indicating it is a center tapped sec.
Makes more sense now...
Man, I need to get my eyes checked.
BTW, What would be a reasonably priced driver to use on an OB that comes close to the esl sound I am fond of?
I'm wanting to build a system for my weekend cabin. Either DIY ESLs, OB or ???
I thought they were feeding one large diaphram and it appeared to me that the "100" would be roughly 90 degrees behind the "50". The "100", "50" indicating it is a center tapped sec.
Makes more sense now...
Man, I need to get my eyes checked.
BTW, What would be a reasonably priced driver to use on an OB that comes close to the esl sound I am fond of?
I'm wanting to build a system for my weekend cabin. Either DIY ESLs, OB or ???
esl oe maggies, i usually buy in bad shape esl's and use the parts. or maybe you can get some maggies, in the US they are verry cheap and it comes real close to the esl sound, with more bass as well. also easy to drive.
Hi,
there´s imo no single dynamic driver coming equal to an good ESL.
I had a lot of fun with the AERs, but those are expensive (though still ´reasonably´ priced). They were the only fullrangers that came close to an ESL in many respects and were even better in some respects.
pos: dynamics, very easy to drive, consumes less space
neg: resolution, coloration, price
jauu
Calvin
there´s imo no single dynamic driver coming equal to an good ESL.
I had a lot of fun with the AERs, but those are expensive (though still ´reasonably´ priced). They were the only fullrangers that came close to an ESL in many respects and were even better in some respects.
pos: dynamics, very easy to drive, consumes less space
neg: resolution, coloration, price
jauu
Calvin
Would a diy "inverted" esl sound better than a diy "classic" esl? Assuming they both use high end parts and are built well.
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