Is this FDNR topology so rare that NOONE has come close to it? I'll guess I'll have to simulate it when I have got the time.
This is one way to solve it but "the circuit" is a simulated inductor. The weird FDNR caught my interest so I wanted to use it also. Nobody will see the difference but I will.
Re: Re: FDNR in active filters
Hi,
Complete DAC project with PCM63 and FDNR was published in Elektor 10/92 (German version).
Regards
GaryB said:
Hi,
Complete DAC project with PCM63 and FDNR was published in Elektor 10/92 (German version).
Regards
Please, guys, my question now was about high-pass filters and you don't have them in CD players.
Peranders wants to build a HIGHpass, so the DAC project wouldn't help him much.
You have to use an inductor to ground in order to get a highpass filter (wheter it is first-order with a series resistor or 2nd order with a series cap). This can be simulated using a gyrator or the well-known simulated inductor as it is used in many EQ circuits.
Both of these are grounded however. But I don't see any reason to use sophisticated circuitry that can be run ungrounded, only to substitute a simple cap.
Regards
Charles
You have to use an inductor to ground in order to get a highpass filter (wheter it is first-order with a series resistor or 2nd order with a series cap). This can be simulated using a gyrator or the well-known simulated inductor as it is used in many EQ circuits.
Both of these are grounded however. But I don't see any reason to use sophisticated circuitry that can be run ungrounded, only to substitute a simple cap.
Regards
Charles
Since overkill is my brand I thought it would be cool to design a well-made ultra universal filter but this is a rather big project so I'll guess I can't make it this week. Seriously, I have thought about it 10 years now and time to time it pops up in my brain.peranders said:
The opamps I think of here are AD8620 and OPA2134. The opamps have to be dual (=matched), so have I been told.
A possible solution is to use GIC as an inductor but the goal was (if it's possible) to have an all-FDNR filter.phase_accurate said:
I think I'll get the picture now, using SPICE. The last element is a resistor which will be conveted into a capacitor. It's OK to have a cap as load up to a finite frequency. Highpass fillter has a cap to "unlimited frequency => unrealistic current demands.
I'll guess that it's true that highpass filters can't be made by FDNR. In theory it will but not in real life.
I'll guess that it's true that highpass filters can't be made by FDNR. In theory it will but not in real life.
peranders said:
Here's a floating Current Conveyor, from
http://www.kemt.fei.tuke.sk/Predmety/KEMT350_EP/_materialy/ch029.pdf
it's in part 29.3 of the article:
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FDNR's are impossible to use a highpass filter but I can use the same style simulated inductor instead.
jackinnj, please note that your example is a simple negative resistance, not frequency dependent.
jackinnj, please note that your example is a simple negative resistance, not frequency dependent.
Why not use a gyrator circuit to simulate an inductor?
I do that in my own active filter one 😉
The manual has all equations needed 😀
\Jens
I do that in my own active filter one 😉
The manual has all equations needed 😀
\Jens
I know about the gyrator circuit with one or two opamps but a GIC looks cooler. I have no idea if it has any hidden good properties.
Jens, how come you found this old thread? Searched for FDNR? 🙂
Jens, how come you found this old thread? Searched for FDNR? 🙂
I started investigating FDNR's again.
I used a 1 op-amp grounded FDNR on my crossover page, and also a 1 op-amp grounded gyrator (inductor simulator).
One-end-is-grounded one-opamp FDNR's and gyrators use 1 opamp instead of 2, which is very useful for shunt legs on filters; its downside is it has a parasitic shunt R (in the case of the FDNR, series R in the case of the gyrator), which, with careful design, can be rendered insignificant.
I used it to great effect, reducing my opamp count, over the 2 op-amp gyrator/FDNR, and it is far less sensitive to component tolerance than the biquad type of zero-pair implementation (according to Spice Monte Carlo analysis).
With 2 opamps I achieved a 4th order elliptic filter (4 poles, 2 imaginary zero pairs). By configuring the opamp as a unity gain follower, open loop gain isn't that much of an issue, depending on the exact topology (e.g. if the impedance you need doesn't need to go very high); what you have to watch out for is the load presented to the opamp and the opamp input impedance (you usually need FET input opamps). The effect of open loop gain is apparent if you simulate gain = 0.99 (which is with open loop gain = 40 dB). (Ditto for effect of input impedance, on circuit's required max impedance).
I wrote the page back in 2000:
Jason Cuadra: Elliptic Crossovers
Scroll to the bottom.
I used a 1 op-amp grounded FDNR on my crossover page, and also a 1 op-amp grounded gyrator (inductor simulator).
One-end-is-grounded one-opamp FDNR's and gyrators use 1 opamp instead of 2, which is very useful for shunt legs on filters; its downside is it has a parasitic shunt R (in the case of the FDNR, series R in the case of the gyrator), which, with careful design, can be rendered insignificant.
I used it to great effect, reducing my opamp count, over the 2 op-amp gyrator/FDNR, and it is far less sensitive to component tolerance than the biquad type of zero-pair implementation (according to Spice Monte Carlo analysis).
With 2 opamps I achieved a 4th order elliptic filter (4 poles, 2 imaginary zero pairs). By configuring the opamp as a unity gain follower, open loop gain isn't that much of an issue, depending on the exact topology (e.g. if the impedance you need doesn't need to go very high); what you have to watch out for is the load presented to the opamp and the opamp input impedance (you usually need FET input opamps). The effect of open loop gain is apparent if you simulate gain = 0.99 (which is with open loop gain = 40 dB). (Ditto for effect of input impedance, on circuit's required max impedance).
I wrote the page back in 2000:
Jason Cuadra: Elliptic Crossovers
Scroll to the bottom.
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