I buy my capacitors based on what looks cool. (As long as they match the specs.)
You'd be forgiven for thinking I'm being facetious. But I'm not:
I even occasionally use boutique ones. But they had better look *dang* cool.
To each his or her own....
You'd be forgiven for thinking I'm being facetious. But I'm not:
I even occasionally use boutique ones. But they had better look *dang* cool.
To each his or her own....
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wiseoldtech
Thanks for advising me.
Since you've read my posts, I think you see my point: ignorant, and skeptical.
You could help me sort this out a bit: What Capacitor would you go for? What should I, from your experience (which I don't question), put into positions C3, C4 (bottom-right on the board, obviously)
The board in question is Sala's new UltraFSP RIAA, (here's the schematic, and here's the board )
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I really don't want to advise you on this, and then have to listen to others on here critisize or flame my suggestions.
I've had enough of that stuff.
All I can say is a decent quality poly capacitor would suffice, without having to invest $$$ in some hyped-up BS.
As for JeffYoung's posting of boutique and "looks", it's his toy, his investment.
Personally, I don't give two craps about "looks" inside an enclosure, I want solid performance, reliability, and that can certainly be had with "reasonable" components.
When I'm enjoying my music, I'm not staring "into the box".
Some feel that's needed.
Personally, I don't give two craps about "looks" inside an enclosure, I want solid performance, reliability, and that can certainly be had with "reasonable" components.
When I'm enjoying my music, I'm not staring "into the box".
Some feel that's needed.
Myleftear: "Since I will build that stuff, it will be difficult to do blind tests. But hey, I'll test, and I'll keep whatever I prefer—if I really won't hear a difference, well, who am I to tell the community not to use magic? I may or may not keep the modest or the royal version..."
Fundamentally, a capacitor involves two conducting "plates", seperated by an insulating material.
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Indeed, the materials involved are of various types, depending on its rating and use.
Furthermore, the electron "flow" as it were, does not have a brain, nor "knows" any difference in materials.
Electrons do not understand "hype", and couldn't care less if they traveled through water, copper, or air itself (arcing).
They don't put on "smiling faces" if they travel through expensive materials like silver, gold, or such.
Those things are precious only to humans, who understand a difference.
I dont fully agree with you on this part. Electrons are alot more mysterious and till today, we dont fully understand it. Neither can we comprehend how it is both a wave and a particle at the same time. We dont know know why it can tunnel through a diaelectric barrier (Electron tunneling).
Alnalog _sa I have only tried for tweeter by pass over my DCA cast copper. So don't know how it is for fullrange. It also depends on a lot off other circumstances.
I dont fully agree with you on this part. Electrons are alot more mysterious and till today, we dont fully understand it. Neither can we comprehend how it is both a wave and a particle at the same time. We dont know know why it can tunnel through a diaelectric barrier (Electron tunneling).
Yes very mysterious when you dont know about them. We understand a lot. Like electrons are just particles. ( its photons that can behave as both). And in there large numbers electron behavior is very well understood and controllable. Thats how electrical stuff works. Theres plenty of books on semiconductor physics out there.
Yes very mysterious when you dont know about them. We understand a lot. Like electrons are just particles. ( its photons that can behave as both). And in there large numbers electron behavior is very well understood and controllable. Thats how electrical stuff works. Theres plenty of books on semiconductor physics out there.
Yes, electrons are particles, but they are not photons. They give off photons in their excited state but they are not made of photons. They are leptons which are are considered fundamental particles.
Also, electrons aren't just particles as mentioned by wiseoldtech.
Electrons can exhibit superposition which we don't even have any idea how or why. We also don't know how it entanglement happens and how the pair "communicate" with each other. WE don't even know how an electron looks like, neither do we know exact position of an electron.
So, do we really know about electrons? I doubt so.
Also, electrons aren't just particles as mentioned by wiseoldtech.
Please, show me where I said or inferred that.
I don't see anything that I wrote stating that electrons are "just particles".
This thread is wandering from the original title.... as per usual.
JeffYoung's posting of boutique and "looks", it's his toy
Personally, I don't give two craps about "looks" inside an enclosure...
JeffYoung certainly plays with that stuff, and very well it seems.
As for you, while I don‘t know you or your toys, I’d bet a capacitor [emoji23] that you still somehow/somewhat care about looks, if only in ways like „over my dead body will I insert that stuff into my—say—amp...
Have you really never ever tried one boutique part? And never been the tiniest bit curious?
Please, show me where I said or inferred that.
I don't see anything that I wrote stating that electrons are "just particles".
This thread is wandering from the original title.... as per usual.
Sorry my mistake. I was actually referring to your comments below:
Furthermore, the electron "flow" as it were, does not have a brain, nor "knows" any difference in materials.
Electrons do not understand "hype", and couldn't care less if they traveled through water, copper, or air itself (arcing).
They don't put on "smiling faces" if they travel through expensive materials like silver, gold, or such.
Because we know electrons do have a "brain" of their own and able to somehow know that we are observing. And they do know difference in material and even insulation, thats why VP is affected by insulation and not the metal. Also, they also know whether material is superconductor or not.
Quantum Theory Demonstrated: Observation Affects Reality -- ScienceDaily
JeffYoung certainly plays with that stuff, and very well it seems.
As for you, while I don‘t know you or your toys, I’d bet a capacitor [emoji23] that you still somehow/somewhat care about looks, if only in ways like „over my dead body will I insert that stuff into my—say—amp...
Have you really never ever tried one boutique part? And never been the tiniest bit curious?
I've serviced thousands of customer audio and video products over the many years in business, as well as my own equipment, and several of my friends stuff too.
I've also designed and built custom equipment through the years.
My methods and/or procedures adhere to strict quality standards, solid build quality, and high reliability.
One could define my work as tight military style, since I go as far as measuring components to mere fractions of a millimeter. - I like neatness.
And yes, I've come across those "boutique" type capacitors and resistors along the way, likely installed at times by the owner of equipment that has come into the shop for servicing.
I don't see any real-world difference in using such things, as my test equipment confirms, as well as my own ears.
My test equipment isn't biased, of course, as opposed to human nature.
With all that said, the only difference I can perceive is a generated difference on the internet, by multitudes of critics.
Sorry my mistake. I was actually referring to your comments below:
Furthermore, the electron "flow" as it were, does not have a brain, nor "knows" any difference in materials.
Electrons do not understand "hype", and couldn't care less if they traveled through water, copper, or air itself (arcing).
They don't put on "smiling faces" if they travel through expensive materials like silver, gold, or such.
Because we know electrons do have a "brain" of their own and able to somehow know that we are observing. And they do know difference in material and even insulation, thats why VP is affected by insulation and not the metal. Also, they also know whether material is superconductor or not.
Quantum Theory Demonstrated: Observation Affects Reality -- ScienceDaily
Sorry, I don't understand your way of thinking, believing that electrons have a knowedgeable brain?
No, you're attempting to convince me, a trained, experienced, and certified long time service technician of some form of BS that you've likely read on the internet. 🙄
Because we know electrons do have a "brain" of their own and able to somehow know that we are observing. And they do know difference in material and even insulation, thats why VP is affected by insulation and not the metal. Also, they also know whether material is superconductor or not.
But you said we dont know electrons, sounds like there your friends. Seek help.
I‘d suggest we settle here.
I started this thread because I feel lost between the two positions, and was reluctant to spend relatively big money on potentially „marketing garbage“.
What strikes me is the fact that the qualities of those fancy boutique caps are claimed, and disputed, but there ain‘t no proof around. Nowhere.
Nobody measures the differences (impossible?)
Nobody makes (or publishes) recordings of say a phono-pre with boutique/standard caps to listen to.
Instead, there‘s plenty of unnecessary insults.
There’s a difference between thinking someone‘s point was ridiculous and stating the person was ridiculous.
The dispute wether there are audible differences or not, and especially what the reasons of if could be would be interesting if it could stay on a civilized (polite) level. Instead, either party ends up insulting the other side as morons.
I started this thread because I feel lost between the two positions, and was reluctant to spend relatively big money on potentially „marketing garbage“.
What strikes me is the fact that the qualities of those fancy boutique caps are claimed, and disputed, but there ain‘t no proof around. Nowhere.
Nobody measures the differences (impossible?)
Nobody makes (or publishes) recordings of say a phono-pre with boutique/standard caps to listen to.
Instead, there‘s plenty of unnecessary insults.
There’s a difference between thinking someone‘s point was ridiculous and stating the person was ridiculous.
The dispute wether there are audible differences or not, and especially what the reasons of if could be would be interesting if it could stay on a civilized (polite) level. Instead, either party ends up insulting the other side as morons.
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