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Nothing like some quack medicine on an audio forum.

Didnt expect the rude reply:(
I replied to an already existing thread coz I thought I had something to contribute.

Quacks have a vested interest, generally to sell something in disguise.

The east has been doing fasts for healing purpose since long, the west is just catching up. The older generation had techniques that were time tested, they practised whatever worked. They may not have proved by blood test/scans because the tools to prove something new did not exist.

Pls see this The 2016 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine - Press release - NobelPrize.org

Also Dr Berg has covered the topic very nicely in several of his videos (youtube) on intermittent fasting. Healing is built in us, we just need to tap it.

The modern pharma industry (along with docs) scared the public of sun (well, it causes cancer) and instead sold vit D pills on the sly. Who is a quack?
Similar pattern exists for glaucoma too.

Most of these lifestyle related problems have cropped up in last 50 or maybe 100 years due to mindless capitalism and westernisation. New diseases and disorders start in the west, it cant be an accident.

Also see Wim Hof, his techniques are rooted in Yoga.
Am I digressing?
 
Most of these lifestyle related problems have cropped up in last 50 or maybe 100 years due to mindless capitalism and westernisation.

Am I digressing?

Average lifespans 69 yrs ago:

US: 69 yrs
Europe: 65 yrs
China: 41 yrs
India: 38 yrs

Modern (i.e., western) healthcare and medicine have increased those eastern numbers by 70-80% today, but they still lag behind the west by several years.

Western medicine and pharmacology very literally saved me from stage 3-4 cancer in the last year. I am grateful for their progress. Trust your doctors, folks.

Yes, you have digressed.
 
I am glad many of you have shared your experiences. I didn't think it was going to be a lonely thread. :)
While I've had minor floaters throughout my life, the snake that showed up last week scared the hell out of me.

Hmm, dislocation, floaters, I hate to tell you what is next!
It's my inner ear actually but that's for another thread.
Cal,
It is best to stick to the more distilled beverages!
Yes sir, I'll get right on that!
 
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Average lifespans 69 yrs ago:

US: 69 yrs
Europe: 65 yrs
China: 41 yrs
India: 38 yrs

These numbers are misleading, they do not mean that we are generally getting a longer live span.
Most of the increase is due to the dramatic drop in infant mortality that ups the average.
Its simply more people that survive to old age, not so much that we are getting older.

Jan
 
At the age of 34 I suddenly got a lot of them. No de attachments luckily :) My doctor was willing to speculate when I made him make an educated guess on the reason behind the sudden apperance of floaters in both eyes. I told him that I sometimes uses monthly lenses for 1.5month without any problems, but then he told me that the eyes doesn't receive enough oxygen and I wouldnt have any apparant symptoms. That could cause cell death and they could get into the eye fluid. So he told med to only use them for 2 weeks at the time now. Now I'm considering laser treatment to break up the floaters.. Have anyone here got any experience with this kind of laser treatment? Luckily the floaters are in the front part of the eyes so it might be treatable I think. If they are close to the retina its not treatable with laser because of risk of burning the retina. I guess the laser needs some distance to disperse after the floaters..
 
I must say, I am not a doctor, but I would be highly suspicious of anyone that tells you corneal hypoxia or neovascularization is the cause of your floaters. I can't find any research to support that.

If you are using a low oxygen contact lens material, you should switch to a modern 3rd generation silicone hydrogel material like Coopervision Biofinity (Comfilcon A) or B&L Ultra (Samfilcon A) for extended wear.
 
I just the lenses out and they are Comfilcon A -Aquaform it says on the package. I've been using "Bxxxxxxxy" Toric for many years and they are one of the best I've tried. They are only approved for 1 month use and not a day more.. Who in the world would give a research grant towards finding out that misuse of lenses could cause cell death?! That would be a counter lawsuit waiting to happen. One eye specialist I went to could not tell me why I got the floaters and was for obvious reasons not willing to speculate. The truth is that nothing else is abnormal with my eyes so what else could then be the cause? Since started to swap lenses every 2 weeks I have got any more floaters. The eye doctor told me that the eye cells are skin cells only stacked in a particular way to let the light trough. He also said what happens if you leave a band aid on your skin for too long? The skin gets pale and white since it doesn't give enough oxygen and cells begin to die. This explanation makes atleast sense to me. Ofcourse I cant be sure the lenses might not be the cause but for many other reasons I now know how dangerous wrong lens usage could be, and I just want to warn other people about the dangers of misuse. In fact know that other friends of mine have used lenses 1.5 month but for shorter periods because they haven't had any ill effects. In Norway lenses used to cost 700-1000usd per year, but prices have come down the last years.
 
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I have had small floaters all my life. I was very myopic, requiring over 7 diopters correction until I grew cataracts in m y later 50's. I used to wear 1-week lenses quite successfully and the newer 1-month type was not available then. Had my cataract surgery about 20 years ago, and only need correction to read now. Still have the little floaters, and also have glaucoma now... Still doing ok, though, at 70.
 
The human body does not tolerate any foreign object for long. Take the case of an an organ donation, when it is transplanted the body rejects most of the time, the immune system is suppressed by medicines to make the organ 'acceptable'.

The eye is no different, the lens is a foreign object and the body cannot be fooled whatever the material the latter is made of. The technology is just not mature to co-exist with nature, yet. The immune system will respond sooner or later. The symptoms are just pointing in that direction.

The eye is a very sensitive organ and complex (well, what is not complex in the body?) and tampering with it is wishful thinking. The lens has a steep price to pay.

There will be no research to prove that the lens is unsafe. There is no money in prevention or even cure for that matter. There is lot of money in keeping the problem alive so there are so many options for treatment. Keep taking medicines and problem remains suppressed, leave the medicines and it resurfaces. Modern medicine is about treatment not cure, well, mostly.

And if we break a bone, we need to see an Orthopaedic urgently, so dont get me wrong. I didnt say dont go to the doctor.

All claims of good 'quality of life' due to modern medicine have to be taken with a pinch of salt since they are by use of a lot of medicine based treatment along with side effects and not due to making one healthy from within.

Also any holistic approach to address the root cause of the problem is either not acknowledged or just outright dismissed by the medical ecosystem.
 
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I just the lenses out and they are Comfilcon A -Aquaform it says on the package. I've been using "Bxxxxxxxy" Toric for many years and they are one of the best I've tried. They are only approved for 1 month use and not a day more.. Who in the world would give a research grant towards finding out that misuse of lenses could cause cell death?! That would be a counter lawsuit waiting to happen. One eye specialist I went to could not tell me why I got the floaters and was for obvious reasons not willing to speculate. The truth is that nothing else is abnormal with my eyes so what else could then be the cause? Since started to swap lenses every 2 weeks I have got any more floaters. The eye doctor told me that the eye cells are skin cells only stacked in a particular way to let the light trough. He also said what happens if you leave a band aid on your skin for too long? The skin gets pale and white since it doesn't give enough oxygen and cells begin to die. This explanation makes atleast sense to me. Ofcourse I cant be sure the lenses might not be the cause but for many other reasons I now know how dangerous wrong lens usage could be, and I just want to warn other people about the dangers of misuse. In fact know that other friends of mine have used lenses 1.5 month but for shorter periods because they haven't had any ill effects. In Norway lenses used to cost 700-1000usd per year, but prices have come down the last years.

I don't think there is any oxygen related problem wearing Comfilcon A for more than 30 days. The Dk/t is high enough for perpetual wear, from my understanding of journal reports. The risk of infection and corneal ulceration is the main reason to not wear high-Dk lenses for a long time continuously. If hypoxia were a concern with any lens Dk > 100 then it wouldn't even be approved for overnight wear. I would say your doctor is wrong about your problem being related to oxygen permeability. I have worked with some people in the industry and the growing consensus seems to be that if the lens is not too tight and the Dk of the material >= 100 then there won't be any hypoxia related issues. I believe there is quite a body of clinical evidence of this, but I'd have to do some more recent searching. Maybe the base curve is too steep for you and the lens is too tight... but I highly doubt the general oxygen permeability of Comfilcon A is your problem.

Personally, I wear Biofinity / Comfilcon A toric and I take them out every night. I don't like how my eyes feel sleeping in them. I think it's just the safest (and most comfortable) thing to do.
 
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The human body does not tolerate any foreign object for long. Take the case of an an organ donation, when it is transplanted the body rejects most of the time, the immune system is suppressed by medicines to make the organ 'acceptable'.

The eye is no different, the lens is a foreign object and the body cannot be fooled whatever the material the latter is made of. The technology is just not mature to co-exist with nature, yet. The immune system will respond sooner or later. The symptoms are just pointing in that direction.

The eye is a very sensitive organ and complex (well, what is not complex in the body?) and tampering with it is wishful thinking. The lens has a steep price to pay.

There will be no research to prove that the lens is unsafe. There is no money in prevention or even cure for that matter. There is lot of money in keeping the problem alive so there are so many options for treatment. Keep taking medicines and problem remains suppressed, leave the medicines and it resurfaces. Modern medicine is about treatment not cure, well, mostly.

And if we break a bone, we need to see an Orthopaedic urgently, so dont get me wrong. I didnt say dont go to the doctor.

All claims of good 'quality of life' due to modern medicine have to be taken with a pinch of salt since they are by use of a lot of medicine based treatment along with side effects and not due to making one healthy from within.

Also any holistic approach to address the root cause of the problem is either not acknowledged or just outright dismissed by the medical ecosystem.

Contact lenses are not "rejected" by your body in any sense. Maybe if they don't fit you well, sure.

In fact, some people with very dry eye from things like Sjogren's Syndrome actually find more comfort with a lens in permanently.

The cornea is actually very well understood compared to much of the body.
 
The cornea is actually very well understood compared to much of the body.

Only the surface has been scratched in general. We are able to do cornea transplants but cant do much for anything else.

When I wear my glasses for near vision(which is most of the day in front of the laptop), I get dry eyes. Apart from lubricating eye drops the docs cant do much. I leave my glasses and it goes away. They suggested to put a dab of silicon to close some gland on the bottom of my eye which takes the tears away from the eye, but the side effect they said would be watery eyes sometimes. The eye is not totally understood.
 
Yes, punctal plugs. You can also look into restasis. Never tried either but they work for some. The plugs are not permanent, so if you don’t like them you can get them removed.

The plugs may be effective if you have insufficient tear volume. If it’s the composition, then it might not help too much.

I’m not sure what you use for eye drops, but the most effective by far for most people is Systane Ultra. Still temporary but extremely effective. It was discovered by accident - it was the carrier for a drug and I think Alcon found it was the actual active component causing improvement in their study.

You might already know, but dry eye from computer use is often from reduced blink rate. You can try lower contrast color schemes and lower brightness to see if that helps you blink more often. When I write software I use a color scheme for vim called zenburn, which really helps eye fatigue for me.
 
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