I don't consider them poorly designed, but rather designed as well as they can be considering the requirement for some sort of consistency with various source output resistances and load resistances that customers might have.
Compromised then.
dave
Allen,I've made some pretty sophisticated PLL filters by sacrificing insertion loss... so if you're not afraid to throw away 10-20dB. As it happens the filter shown above is only down 1dB.
1k to 50k ohms gives you a couple of orders of magnitude to work with.
What will be your (real-world) source for that circuit?? Something with 1 milliohm output resistance?? 🙂
Dave.
Lol, you mean the circuit I posted. Never mind the numbers it was just easier than rigging an *.frd file for a speaker that measures 50k 😉
Well, what circuit did you think I was referring to???
Why did you post it if all the numbers are meaningless???
That's esoteric all right. 🙂
Dave.
Why did you post it if all the numbers are meaningless???
That's esoteric all right. 🙂
Dave.
Well, I guess someone must be the first to use low DF triode amps to drive the speakers and a Krell clone to drive the crossover... 😎
Sorry, I thought you were joking.Why did you post it if all the numbers are meaningless???
It is the topology that matters. They are equivalent to Zout=6ohms, Rseries1=600ohms, Rseries2=6kohms, RL=50kohms
So far I've only found the result of my calculations, rather than the calculations themselves. This circuit was for someone who wanted to mix a headphone signal to mono and to have an approximately second-order Linkwitz-Riley crossover while only using resistors and capacitors.
See also https://www.diyaudio.com/community/...db-line-level-calculation.320216/post-5375368
See also https://www.diyaudio.com/community/...db-line-level-calculation.320216/post-5375368
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I found the actual calculation in the attic.
What it boils down to, is that when you cascade two first-order RC low-pass filters with equal time constants, the first with a resistance R1 and the second with a resistance R2, you get a second-order roll-off with a quality factor
Q = 1/(2 + R1/R2)
while ideally, you would need Q = 1/2 for a Linkwitz-Riley filter.
For a given ratio R1/R2, you can improve the quality factor a little bit by making
R1C1 = sqrt(1 + R1/R2) * (1/(2 pi fc))
R2C2 = (1/sqrt(1 + R1/R2)) * (1/(2 pi fc))
where fc is the cross-over frequency. The same holds for the high pass.
The resulting Q is
Q = 1/(2 sqrt(1 + R1/R2))
which is only marginally better than the value with equal time constants when R1 << R2.
I intended to also look at the flatness of the sum of the high-pass and low-pass output signals when you allow unequal values of fc, but didn't manage to get a result out of that.
What it boils down to, is that when you cascade two first-order RC low-pass filters with equal time constants, the first with a resistance R1 and the second with a resistance R2, you get a second-order roll-off with a quality factor
Q = 1/(2 + R1/R2)
while ideally, you would need Q = 1/2 for a Linkwitz-Riley filter.
For a given ratio R1/R2, you can improve the quality factor a little bit by making
R1C1 = sqrt(1 + R1/R2) * (1/(2 pi fc))
R2C2 = (1/sqrt(1 + R1/R2)) * (1/(2 pi fc))
where fc is the cross-over frequency. The same holds for the high pass.
The resulting Q is
Q = 1/(2 sqrt(1 + R1/R2))
which is only marginally better than the value with equal time constants when R1 << R2.
I intended to also look at the flatness of the sum of the high-pass and low-pass output signals when you allow unequal values of fc, but didn't manage to get a result out of that.
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