I see no sector that excels a wolfson from a sabre, in any application, having around 5 6 DAC previously with wolfson, none was able to approach from afar any sabre DAC in any form, even with 30 euros boards ( a lot in net .. )
i thing somewhere you're wrong
i thing somewhere you're wrong
Never, the dac-chip and the rest of other electronic components summarize the total cost of a Digital to Analogue Converter.
Many times the same electronic components differs cause the dielectric material (example the capacitors), or the source of electronic list...it is different to shopping from China and very different to shopping from Farnel or Mouser for example.
What about the design, somebody must to pay for that...
Because, I am an owner both of them, Curryman and Mambo differs a lot as the materials as the quality of pcb.
Also, the mambo dac has two choice-able inputs spdif/i2s (WM8704 receiver) vs i2s Curryman only.
At the last the mambo is complete with psu that Curryman hasn't.
Wolfson :maybe the bass and mid bass excell IHMO against a little Sabre, maybe tonal equilibre in this area also better. But how to say which chip is the best but the datashheet as each layout and dac device are different. In a DAC you change just one cap and it sounds different...
But from the little I heard (but not equall condition) I like the Wolfson bass... maybe the layou of the devices I heard...don't know !
ES9023 : just buying 1 dac chip at the swiss distributor will cost you 1.68 euro + 15 euro for normal shipment (slow horse...)
Unfortunately, the availability of Sabre chips is troubling!
The same for the Sambre datasheets.
Free is only the basic, 2-3 pages for general technical documentation, the others only with confidential papers... 😕
The same for the Sambre datasheets.
Free is only the basic, 2-3 pages for general technical documentation, the others only with confidential papers... 😕
When you register and sign the NDA the datasheet will be sent. This is free, quick and painless. Products can be bought in numbers from Ismosys. Availability of Sabre chips is not troubling IMO but getting them in very small numbers with normal shipping costs is hard indeed. They are not available at the standard distributors, don't know why they choose this sales model. The chips are not meant to be used by DIYers for sure 😉
I think we should have followed this sales model with our V3 DAC....
I think we should have followed this sales model with our V3 DAC....
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I have made with bold your phrase that has a lot of true for my opinion. I think the Sabre chips have the target group and this sales model isn't casually!
About the mambo dac now that is the theme of this thread.
Because the designer of this dac is from my country, I know some more information about this dac.
The quality of the pcb and routing is very fine
Here is the photo from version 1, I think that some plastic and electrolytic capacitors has changed at version 2 with more dynamic behaviour.
At the end, we have some info - here in Greece - that this Mambo dac has reached at the Version 3 with the new complete layout.
Other layout, other ess clock with individual area, soft modes for WM8804 receiver, individual psu's to all stages and so many that I don't remember now.
If the version 2 has some hi-end characteristics, this I think is hi-end diy dac!
The first acoustic estimations are described as excellent with significant improve to all sonic characteristics. I found to internet (from the same photobucket source) some photos about this...
I didn't listen it yet, but other members of avclub that I follow, they compared this with other major commercial dacs and the results are marvelous!
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Richard Gotainer - Le Mambo du Décalco - ClubMusic80s - clip officiel - YouTube
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hAHAHAHA : one more board with spidf input through hole with GSSSSS : lol ! Butthe UFL are nice !
Are the Three pale blue MKT Philips one ? around the crystal Cornell Dublier acrylic ?
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hAHAHAHA : one more board with spidf input through hole with GSSSSS : lol ! Butthe UFL are nice !
Are the Three pale blue MKT Philips one ? around the crystal Cornell Dublier acrylic ?
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What strange has a capacitor to the input and laugh; Can you tell us;
to solve your queries to the circuit has cornell dubilier , silmic ii and nichicon
look the last pieces of v2
The DAC had a very successful cycle having found a solution to playing music well above the value for money
120 happy users of mambo DAC around the world also laughing with joy listening to music
HAVE FUN !
and nice weecend 😀
P.S.
anyway the MAMBO DAC V2 comes to end
The v3 is on the road ( beta )
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Oh well... Vasili you have said the key world... "laughing". 😀
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As a non diyer, I was never believed in chip dacs, always saying "pfff... with what are they comparing? Diyers feel good when the machine is just playing!"
Well I was wrong! There are some diyers trying hard and been objective with their doings. There are also very few of them, that they design new things... good things.
On the other hand, the (non profit) hobbit of yours, I believed it might open your minds, feeling good seeing and testing new projects! Or at least not playing unfair, criticizing them ironically, before even testing them.
Well... there are exceptions for everything, might say...
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To the point, I'm one of the mambo v2 smiled faces (with salas on power supply) A very happy owner...
Some days now I'm also checking the new mambo v3... at some low budget, as well as, to some higher budget systems, just for reference.
I'm honestly trying to keep my feet on the ground... me and few other guys that joined me at the auditions... the dac is exceeding our highest expectations of a vfm dac. It is a different story...
Beyond the high quality components, there is also a good design offering musicality and generally "expensive" sound... (sorry I cannot spell the other word, the high something word, lol)
Oh Well, enough for a newby post.
Here in Athens, is spring time, sunshine and fresh wind, girls are trying their summer dresses and boys still laughing.
fair winds to all of you
ps. Vasili bravo and keep going
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As a non diyer, I was never believed in chip dacs, always saying "pfff... with what are they comparing? Diyers feel good when the machine is just playing!"
Well I was wrong! There are some diyers trying hard and been objective with their doings. There are also very few of them, that they design new things... good things.
On the other hand, the (non profit) hobbit of yours, I believed it might open your minds, feeling good seeing and testing new projects! Or at least not playing unfair, criticizing them ironically, before even testing them.
Well... there are exceptions for everything, might say...
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To the point, I'm one of the mambo v2 smiled faces (with salas on power supply) A very happy owner...
Some days now I'm also checking the new mambo v3... at some low budget, as well as, to some higher budget systems, just for reference.
I'm honestly trying to keep my feet on the ground... me and few other guys that joined me at the auditions... the dac is exceeding our highest expectations of a vfm dac. It is a different story...
Beyond the high quality components, there is also a good design offering musicality and generally "expensive" sound... (sorry I cannot spell the other word, the high something word, lol)
Oh Well, enough for a newby post.
Here in Athens, is spring time, sunshine and fresh wind, girls are trying their summer dresses and boys still laughing.
fair winds to all of you
ps. Vasili bravo and keep going
Just learn to read. The laughing was just fot the I2S through holes ...that s all.
I can t talk about the Dac as .i never listen to it.
And just give the compliments as they come: i said UFL connectors were nice.
Nice week end also ...on the Cote d Azur of Corse.
I can t talk about the Dac as .i never listen to it.
And just give the compliments as they come: i said UFL connectors were nice.
Nice week end also ...on the Cote d Azur of Corse.
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Thread moved to vendors due to becoming more vendor oriented, than the initial post suggested. A few OT posts removed as well.@ Eldam.
The holes that seems at my upload photo of Mambo V.1 was for the 5pin i2s Screw Molex. At the photo this connector isn't there.
If you looked at the last Vassili's photos (they are from Mambo V.2) at these holes there is a blue one molex.
I think so, that the written language is difficult and probably need to watch all of us how to formulate better, especially to us that this isn't native language.
Nice weekend to all of us and let us music to play into our hearts!
The holes that seems at my upload photo of Mambo V.1 was for the 5pin i2s Screw Molex. At the photo this connector isn't there.
If you looked at the last Vassili's photos (they are from Mambo V.2) at these holes there is a blue one molex.
I think so, that the written language is difficult and probably need to watch all of us how to formulate better, especially to us that this isn't native language.
Nice weekend to all of us and let us music to play into our hearts!
Hi
I need your advice and experiences.
I have connected the I2S signals from a MARANTZ CD 5004 to your DAC ES9023.
The sound is good but not at "high" level .There are craks as saturation.
I use a ribbon cable ( HDD ) the lenght is 15cm .
On the DAC there are two Clock options .EXT or INT .Same problem.
Have an idea about this problem
Thanks
Serge
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