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jack - I've never been in any of the mentioned vehicles - I was just commenting on the styling - although I have heard certain models and vintages of Jag being described as rather like small boats "a hole in the road through which you pour your money"

I once drove my uncle's V-12 Vanden Plas from his ranch into the city, for a car wash. On the return journey, I hit a little over 200km/h for a fairly good stretch of highway. It had plenty more legs left, but I resisted the urge. Even at that speed, inside the cabin was virtually silent. The only thing to listen to was the Bang & Olufsen system. It was like piloting a jet. So incredibly smooth and stable.

Little did I know that there was an onboard trip computer recording all relevant data. My uncle did not ask me to take the car for a wash again.

A fabulous ride, indeed, but 9 times out of 10 it would not start after a rain storm. 🙂
 
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The thing about batteries is - if one of them develops a short in 1 cell, it can easily bleed the whole system. Laptop batteries are also very very very environmentally and politically black. Lithium - well, that comes form china, and china gets it from strip mining the Himalayas, and by beating the tibetans and nepalese and bhutanese out of their mountains.
Hope we like a world without a himalayas range.
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Maybe a deposit - but the current strip mining is - well - happening in tibet.

Thanks to Euro Pacific of Toronto, I can tell you that China’s largest lithium deposit is lithium-bearing pegmatite at Jiajika in the eastern portion of the Tibet plateau. Lithium-bearing brines are found in the Qinghai-Tibet plateau. There is a zone of lakes there with 30 discrete brine resources. - See more at: http://investorintel.com/cleantech-...lds-strategic-commodity/#sthash.0ZYpFauR.dpuf

China is of course going to strip mine the entire world off this stuff. Bolivia, peru, banana republic, all of em are going to get stripped.

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http://investorintel.com/cleantech-...lds-strategic-commodity/#sthash.0ZYpFauR.dpuf
 
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I would rather buy my oil from the saudi's than my batteries from the chinese.
I do think we need to stop spewing CO2 into the air, but I also think that by the time a car is made, 80% of what it will spew over its lifetime has been spewed. Its always greener to fix your old car than to buy a new one, even if it is a tesla. We need to get down to 1 car per 10-20 people, and no, carting people in busses is not an alternative. Busses may cost themsleves less fuel per passenger (if they are near full) but they cause long lines of cars behind them at every stop and they cause more co2 than if they are not used. 90% of people can work from home IMHO. My wife has for the last 2 years worked at a job that easily could be done from home. Cos when she's sick, they ask her to work from home ... Needless to say, I work from home. Cos my co workers are not even in the same city as I am.
Being green starts with you using everything you already have more efficiently, not buying a big expensive POS with a whole new set of problems in the environmental and political zones. Anyway, being green isn't an accessory. Being green is a way of life.

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Srinath.
 
From the laptops i have had 500 is a minimum and perhaps for a full charge/discharge cycle..

dave

well laptops for most folks I know would hardly ever be discharged, most fail from prolonged overcharging. they don't like being > 90% all the time either.
The Tesla batt. warrantee is 4 years. 1 year longer than a regular car batt,\. 😱 not impressive for resale value, me thinks.
 
jack - I've never been in any of the mentioned vehicles - I was just commenting on the styling - although I have heard certain models and vintages of Jag being described as rather like small boats "a hole in the road through which you pour your money".

The first time I saw an XKE was on Grosvenor Square near the American Embassy in 1963 -- one of the finest looking cars ever.

In the spirit of full disclosure, I won't buy a 'vette or anything but an under-powered Volvo SUV as I am a "too aggressive" driver according to 'mamselle. I would have to do the "3-Hail Marys and 3-our Fathers" if I bought a Musk-mo-bile" subsidized by US taxpayers,

The "Musk-m0-bile" is a vehicle for the transmission of the public fisc to hedge fund and private equity managers.
 
I do think we need to stop spewing CO2 into the air, but I also think that by the time a car is made, 80% of what it will spew over its lifetime has been spewed... Busses may cost themsleves less fuel per passenger (if they are near full) but they cause long lines of cars behind them at every stop and they cause more co2 than if they are not used.

Can you back up those assertions, or are they opinion and hand waving? Where is the data?

90% of people can work from home IMHO.
Srinath.

Really? That would be news to grocers, hospital nurses, plumbers, carpenters, truck drivers, and a whole host of others. We don't all shuffle electrons for a living.

Bill
 
I would rather buy my oil from the saudi's than my batteries from the chinese.
I do think we need to stop spewing CO2 into the air, but I also think that by the time a car is made, 80% of what it will spew over its lifetime has been spewed. Its always greener to fix your old car than to buy a new one, even if it is a tesla.
Srinath.

Check the link in post 87. Pollution arising from manufacture is already factored in.
 
Well, we're the ones doing the mining, and hoping the Chinese will buy the stuff! No beatings, or levelling of mountain ranges, just big holes in the ground .. and miners getting huge wages for doing the work ...

The downside is that things are no longer expanding, and prices have fallen dramatically - Australia is feeling the effects, economically ...
 
Really? That would be news to grocers, hospital nurses, plumbers, carpenters, truck drivers, and a whole host of others. We don't all shuffle electrons for a living.

Bill

These occupation do require people to be present for now and the near future atleast. But, I have lived in India for the first 20 yrs of my life, and there - none of these people drove 100's of miles to get to work. If you dont get a job you can ride your bicycle to, its not a job you'd take up. Atleast till the early 90's it was that way. Then higher paid professionals used to commute longer distances, 10-20 km. And usually by motorcycle.
IMHO, the car is the biggest culprit, and its enabled our commute commute commute and more commute life. And cheap gas.
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