Electric Cars Not Doing Well in Extreme Cold

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Rail locomotives running on diesel are actually diesel generators on wheels, they power an alternator, which supplies power to motors driving the wheels through gears.
So a hybrid of sorts, been around for ages.

The Prius uses an engine running at constant speed to top up the batteries, much better fuel efficiency as the maximum waste of fuel and also pollution occurs in transit from one speed to another (when you rev up or down).
Apart from the weight penalty, I see no issue in using a diesel in a Prius type car.

I read in 'Rotor and Wing' (or similar) magazine in 1980 that the low temperatures can cause strange issues, a Canadian operation used diesel in their Bell 206 helicopters in winter, kerosene based jet fuel would wax and clog.

Bill: gasoline can burn diesel pistons, kerosene or a different grade of diesel may be an option, but getting kerosene is also an issue. So if you are doing it, use a small amount, not too much.

Another trick here to start diesel engines was to soak a rag with petrol and keep it at air inlet...quick start, particularly if fuel injection had air etc. They said make it sniff petrol...
 
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MY issue with battery cars, is not that their electric.
It's the massive amounts of hideous chemicals used to refine the metals that are used to make them.
Well the alternatives (fossil fuels) are also hideous chemicals ha ha, in much less of a closed loop. I used to work fairly near the Torrance Refinery...gak! choke! I mean come on, who doesn't love the smell of burning lithium in the morning?!? 😎
 
I've never examined a supercharger station but if this is correct then
1. I owe classicalfan an apology
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Thank you, Bill, but an apology is really not necessary.

I think Tesla has introduced a lot of confusion with their so callled "supercharger stations" and not fully explained to people in a simple manner what to expect and not to expect from them. Particulary in unusually cold weather. To do so could very well affect their sales in some areas. Even the name itself "supercharger" carries with it a certain amount of perhaps false hope. But I'm sure it helps to sell cars.

If anyone owes an apology it's Tesla to their customers.
 
It’s easy to say that, but someone has to go to work to pay for that $70,000 car and $5,000 charger.

Current battery powered automobiles fall marginally short of making sense in much of Canada. Even newer, smaller internal combustion engine powered cars do not heat the occupant area effectively - 15-minutes idling and the windshield is still ice and often can’t even be scraped off. Unless there’s a notable forthcoming improvement in insulating technology, we may use a lot of stored energy to heat the cabin and defrost the windscreens. I strongly believe the answer possibly lies in augmentation by an alternative fuel or fossil fuel engine.
There is a solution to this: heatable windshield. It has embedded wires that are much finer that what you have on the rear window. Had this in every car I've had since 1999.
Diesel engines have become so efficient that they fail to heat up the interior on shorter trip. My 2006 and 2014 Diesels had an electric heater to supplement engine heat as standard equipment.
 
can it be produced in the huge quantity needed
I imagine ocean-borne algae farms. It would need to be done on an industrial scale, but the sunlight and seawater are free and it isn't like making gasoline is easy.
Perhaps the greatest benefit would be the freeing up of petroleum for other products. It's a wonderfully dense fuel source but it has a lot of other uses that we haven't replaced.

Pete
 
two for one implementation

They are finding that solar farms on land also do some of that, improves wildlife. Last study i saw talked about how many more insects…

Be interesting to see what happens with thwe solar installations in the desert in Morocco.

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Last few days we've had a lot of snow; airports closed, trains, busses, subways stopped. But strangely no complaints in news about electric cars not running. Why? Because the owners have learned to handle the cold.
Yes, yes and a marmot wraps chocolate in tinfoil...... Man, I'm sorry but......it's serious, talking about the future. Look around you, look what's happening in Germany. Germany quits nuclear power?!! I wonder who they're going to blame this time? The power of talk - who gets heard and why. To recall:

Greta Thunberg - "How dare you?"
Well, who is hiding behind this sick child? The еlegance of nobility? Or.... sellers of illusions? Once again - it's serious, it will all be over before you know it. Not in your favor! #67, the truth - admirations.
 
They are finding that solar farms on land also do some of that, improves wildlife. Last study i saw talked about how many more insects…

Be interesting to see what happens with thwe solar installations in the desert in Morocco.

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dave
Gotta wonder how much energy was used in making and installing all of those mirrors. And then the need for constant upkeep sweeping away the sand and dirt from them degrading their performance.
 
Around June July when the production of my photo voltage panels is at it's maxim, the price for electric energy at the exchange turns negative. This because there is more production then demand during day time in these months. So I shut down my PV panels to avoid having to pay for the upload. Instead I turn on some heaters in a far corner of my garden. On days with overproduction the power company is paying me to use energy as it helps to stabilize the grid.
 
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Well, who is hiding behind this sick child? The еlegance of nobility? Or.... sellers of illusions? Once again - it's serious, it will all be over before you know it. Not in your favor! #67, the truth - admirations.

Greta Thunberg is a hero rather than a sick kid as far as I'm concerned. Most of the time she just quotes or rephrases IPCC reports and encourages people to listen to the scientists rather than to her, by the way.
 
I am baffled as to why the mods have not closed this thread, the OP has pulled out every climate change denialism argument in the "it's not practical" category. :scratch:
What in the world are you talking about? I challenge you to point to a single climate change denial argument by me in this thread.

Questioning the dependablity of electric cars in extreme cold weather is not climate change denial.

It's just plain common sense given the recent reports of all the problems people are now encountering with them. Problems that the electric car manufacturers did not care to reveal to their potential customers.
 
Appropriate to the conversation: Electric vehicles fail at a lower rate than gas cars in extreme cold

Data from Norway where there is both the largest concentration of electrik cars and it gets cold there.

dave
Norway is tiny. Driving distances are a tiny fraction compared to Canada. Also, many parts of (inhabited) Canada are much colder than (inhabited) parts of Norway. For example https://weatherspark.com/compare/y/68697~2428/Comparison-of-the-Average-Weather-in-Oslo-and-Edmonton Olso's average low temperature in winter is Edmonton's average high.

So the "it works in Norway" argument is about as compelling as mud.

I'm not a climate change denier, but electric cars still have a very long way to go.
 
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