# Einstein's simultaneity theory is impossible

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#### 7n7is

Here's some more dangerous dissident questioning.

Einstein claims events may be simultaneous in one frame of reference relative to one observer and not simultaneous to another observer. This is supposed to follow from the belief that the speed of light is always constant.

Read about The train-and-platform thought experiment here: Relativity of simultaneity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now add to this two stop watches, one at each end of the train car, ie. front and back. Have electronic circuits arranged to stop each stop watch when it senses a photon hitting the wall of the train car (ie. using a photocell). Start each stop watch while the train car is at rest relative to the observer on the outside of the train car, start the train car and do the experiment as described. After the experiment, stop the train car and bring the two observers and the two stop watches together. If the observers saw the photons hitting the front and back of the train car at different times during the experiment (when the train car was in motion relative to the outside observer), then they should both see different times on the stop watches, after the experiment even while both observers and both stop watches are in the same frame of reference. Yes, according to Einstein, two people can see different readings on the same clock and yet at the same time Einstein says this is impossible. Remember in the twin paradox the dodge used by the Einsteinian mystics to get assymetric time dilation. The twin that is accelerated is supposed to be the twin that undergoes time dilation.

You can use stopwatches to show events are always simultaneous to all observers anywhere showing that an instant in time is the same instant in time everywhere. This also shows that the speed of light is NOT constant.

#### SY

Since you don't understand the basics of relativity, why do you continue to write about it?

#### 7n7is

I do understand Einsteinian relativity. That's how I know its impossible. Its not the same as Newtonian relativity, either.

#### SY

I do understand Einsteinian relativity.

No, you've demonstrated again and again that you don't. This is the most recent example. At this point, you're just trolling.

#### sreten

Hi,

Arguing Enstien is wrong because you know its impossible is utterly inane.
All you are proving is you have no real idea what you are talking about.

If he was wrong somebody would have said so years ago, and they
did regarding quantum physics, but there is no denying his brilliance.

There is no ioata of any evidence that the speed of light is not constant.
You cannot show it is not without being stupid. Its the fundamental tenet
of relativity, as opposed To Newtionian mechanics, its the whole point.

rgds, sreten.

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#### wakibaki

Here's some more dangerous dissident questioning.

You wish. You're a danger to nobody except yourself.

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#### pedroskova

What's with this Einstein (anti)fetish?

#### mach1

There is no ioata of any evidence that the speed of light is not constant.

Actually there is plenty...

#### Irakli

Here's some more dangerous dissident questioning.

Read about The train-and-platform thought experiment here: Relativity of simultaneity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I suggest stop reading Wikipedia for a moment and take a look at this book:

Amazon.com: The Classical Theory of Fields, Fourth Edition: Volume 2 (Course of Theoretical Physics Series) (9780750627689): L D Landau, E.M. Lifshitz: Books

We can continue discussion when you say you understand significant part of what is written there
Usually it takes 6 months to year to get through it (If I remember correctly it took us a semester to get through the basics).

#### sreten

Actually there is plenty...

Ok, to be pendatic the maximum spead of light is a constant.

rgds, sreten.

#### Andrew Eckhardt

"pendatic"

Sigmund has just left the building.

#### Wavebourn

What's with this Einstein (anti)fetish?

It is not an antifetish. It is called skepticism. According to another thread, skepticism can't be biased.

#### SY

It is not an antifetish. It is called skepticism. According to another thread, skepticism can't be biased.

"Skepticism is an approach to accepting, rejecting, or suspending judgment on new information that requires the new information to be well supported by evidence."

I think relativity qualifies as "well supported by evidence."

#### Wavebourn

"Skepticism is an approach to accepting, rejecting, or suspending judgment on new information that requires the new information to be well supported by evidence."

I think relativity qualifies as "well supported by evidence."

The evidence of mass-belief? Right.

#### SY

The evidence of mass-belief? Right.

Wrong. The evidence of a hundred years of experiments.

#### Wavebourn

Wrong. The evidence of a hundred years of experiments.

Newtonian experiments have more of years of evidence. Experiments with flat Earth even more. So what? The only force that resists all new discoveries, is force of beliefs. The first stage is Subconscious Incompetence: nobody knows about possibility of new approach. The second stage is, conscious incompetence: people know that old approach does not work in some situations, but don't know why. The third stage is conscious competence: new approach is known, but need to be constantly proved. The last phase is subconscious competence: people use new approach as if it existed always.

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#### SY

Newtonian experiments have more of years of evidence.

That's why correspondence is essential in any theory- at low velocities, Newton's laws work, and relativity is perfectly consistent with Newton. However, Newton's laws fall apart in experimental regimes that were not possible in 1750.

Experimental Basis of Special Relativity

#### 7n7is

Check out the temper tantrum thrown here: http://www.suppressedscience.net/physics.html
scroll down to Special Relativity Theory: Beyond Criticism

#### 7n7is

The truely smart people know Einsteinian relativity is wrong. Einstein was not a genius.

The Farce of Physics
The Farce of Physics

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