Is there anywhere in the universe, an 8 ohm, 90dB,
coated paper cone, 8" or 10" driver with rubber surround that will reach 50 cycles in a closed box? I'm looking for one that will reproduce classical music with as much realism as possible. Help!
coated paper cone, 8" or 10" driver with rubber surround that will reach 50 cycles in a closed box? I'm looking for one that will reproduce classical music with as much realism as possible. Help!
Tannoy Gold 10". Some of them have rubber surrounds, all have nice <i>untreated</i> paper cones and as a bonus you can get an alnico magnet structure and a concentric tweeter for free.
Have you browsed the http://www.d-s-t.com/main/index.htm pages ???
It's the site of the manufacturer of Vifa Scanspeak and peerless.
Maybe the Peerless HDS 205 (It's 205mm equals 8") and the sensitivity is 91.2 dB (Re 2.83V 1m at 224 Hz (Measured))
edit: or try a Focal driver
http://www.focal.tm.fr/gb/compo/index.htm
It's the site of the manufacturer of Vifa Scanspeak and peerless.
Maybe the Peerless HDS 205 (It's 205mm equals 8") and the sensitivity is 91.2 dB (Re 2.83V 1m at 224 Hz (Measured))
edit: or try a Focal driver
http://www.focal.tm.fr/gb/compo/index.htm
paper cone efficient drivers
Thanks for the replies, but there seems to be no driver with the specs desired. The 205 has an F3 of 73Hz, not 50Hz. I've looked most everywhere that I can and there seems to be nothing available. Tks anyway!
Thanks for the replies, but there seems to be no driver with the specs desired. The 205 has an F3 of 73Hz, not 50Hz. I've looked most everywhere that I can and there seems to be nothing available. Tks anyway!
Hi Jack,
The JBL LE10A is about 4db down @ 50Hz in a 2cu.ft. closed box. The sensitivity is about 90db/Wm. You can usually find them on eBay for around $120/pr. They have paper cones but they do come with foam surrounds. I run 2 per side and have been keeping an eye open for where I can get rubber surrounds for them. I haven't had any luck yet. The soft butyl rubber should lower the fs (and therefore the f3), but I don't know by how much.
Rodd Yamas***a
The JBL LE10A is about 4db down @ 50Hz in a 2cu.ft. closed box. The sensitivity is about 90db/Wm. You can usually find them on eBay for around $120/pr. They have paper cones but they do come with foam surrounds. I run 2 per side and have been keeping an eye open for where I can get rubber surrounds for them. I haven't had any luck yet. The soft butyl rubber should lower the fs (and therefore the f3), but I don't know by how much.
Rodd Yamas***a
HiFi World DIY supp 24 in Oct 96 used an Audax PR240MO 10 inch paper coned driver in a sealed 50 litre cabinet. This gave a Q of 1.1 and a 2dB bass lift. The measured -6dB was at 42 Hz.
70litres would give a Q of 1.0 and a bass lift of only 1dB with a -6 at 40Hz.
Due to rising response and cone break up this driver needed a special filter to notch out a 3k peak of +5dB. This was a 10uF cap in parallel with a 0.315mH inductor (0.71mm wire air cored).
After killing the peak they applied a 2nd order filter with 2.85mH (1mm wire ferrite core) and 12uf.
(the EQ filter is connected directly in series with the driver while the 2nd order filter is fitted to the IP terminals as per normal)
This setup gave an output measured at 93dB/w.
Hope this helps, not sure if the driver is still available but by all reports it's fast and gives what you want.
Drew
70litres would give a Q of 1.0 and a bass lift of only 1dB with a -6 at 40Hz.
Due to rising response and cone break up this driver needed a special filter to notch out a 3k peak of +5dB. This was a 10uF cap in parallel with a 0.315mH inductor (0.71mm wire air cored).
After killing the peak they applied a 2nd order filter with 2.85mH (1mm wire ferrite core) and 12uf.
(the EQ filter is connected directly in series with the driver while the 2nd order filter is fitted to the IP terminals as per normal)
This setup gave an output measured at 93dB/w.
Hope this helps, not sure if the driver is still available but by all reports it's fast and gives what you want.
Drew
efficient paper cones
Roddyama and DrewP,
Tks for the help. I'm getting closer! At least there are some near hits now. I wonder why some OEM doesn't see the hole in available drivers worldwide for this product? Anyway, good listening!
Roddyama and DrewP,
Tks for the help. I'm getting closer! At least there are some near hits now. I wonder why some OEM doesn't see the hole in available drivers worldwide for this product? Anyway, good listening!
Re: efficient paper cones
My guess is that you can get more bass from the same box size with a vented box, so that's what most drivers are designed for. Also paper cones are considered very 'old tech', so you can't appeal to the technically ignorant with advertising that shouts <i>kevlar</i> or <i>carbon fibre</i>. For DR speakers, plain paper cones and sealed boxes usually sound the best ime.
Good luck with your project.
Jack Thomas said:
My guess is that you can get more bass from the same box size with a vented box, so that's what most drivers are designed for. Also paper cones are considered very 'old tech', so you can't appeal to the technically ignorant with advertising that shouts <i>kevlar</i> or <i>carbon fibre</i>. For DR speakers, plain paper cones and sealed boxes usually sound the best ime.
Good luck with your project.
Hmmmm,
There are paper drivers that meet some of your specs, but they are pricey.
This gets you down to 50Hz
It isn't 90dB though, and neither is this one...
Gets F3 < 50Hz, Q=0.7 ish in 30litre is cabinet
Unfortunately there is a tradeoff between deep bass and efficiency in a given driver size and cabinet.
There are paper drivers that meet some of your specs, but they are pricey.
This gets you down to 50Hz
It isn't 90dB though, and neither is this one...
Gets F3 < 50Hz, Q=0.7 ish in 30litre is cabinet
Unfortunately there is a tradeoff between deep bass and efficiency in a given driver size and cabinet.
And the peerless 830668
Gets to 50Hz in an enclosure of 40litres or more. Efficiency is 88.6dB for 2.83V.
The question of what Q you are aiming at is almost more important than the cutoff frequency. If you can live with Q less than 0.7 and use the bass lift of your room to counterbalance bass droop, then a whole raft of drivers that are normally used for ported alignments comes into play.
Gets to 50Hz in an enclosure of 40litres or more. Efficiency is 88.6dB for 2.83V.
The question of what Q you are aiming at is almost more important than the cutoff frequency. If you can live with Q less than 0.7 and use the bass lift of your room to counterbalance bass droop, then a whole raft of drivers that are normally used for ported alignments comes into play.
Hi Jack
If you could live with about 3 dB less efficiency then you could use a Scan-Speak 21W/8555-00:
f3 = 45 Hz and Qtc = 0.71 in a 33 litre closed box
You might also have a larger choice of drivers if you go for a tunig with a Qtc of 0.5 rather than 0.707.
Regards
Charles
If you could live with about 3 dB less efficiency then you could use a Scan-Speak 21W/8555-00:
f3 = 45 Hz and Qtc = 0.71 in a 33 litre closed box
You might also have a larger choice of drivers if you go for a tunig with a Qtc of 0.5 rather than 0.707.
Regards
Charles
That elusive 90dB driver
Thanks, Richard, and others, for your input. I'm shooting between .5 and .7 for the box load. So far, of the speakers mentioned, none have the sensitivity required, and most also do not have rubber surrounds. I think i'm gonna settle on a Vifa Pl26
-09-08. It's got everything but the sensitivity, and as you mention, room gain may give me the extra dB or two that I'm looking for. Anyway, if nothing turns up in the next few days, I'm moving on and hoping the driver integrates with the others already boxed and waiting. Thanks again for the input. I'm using a four way series design (the first three are in a separate box sitting on top of the box waiting for the other driver I've been looking for. I'm using a Morel MDT30, crossed at 2700Hz to a Seas CB17RCY/P, which in turn, strangely enough, is crossed to an Audax HM210GO at 270Hz. The combination sounds better than I'd anticipated, and I have to say that I haven't heard anything sound as good (without deep base, of course) in most of the audition rooms I've been in recently. Hopefully, the additional driver will give me the extra slam needed to register the realism in Welli's Victory as well as other works. Anyway, best of luck to you guys.
Thanks, Richard, and others, for your input. I'm shooting between .5 and .7 for the box load. So far, of the speakers mentioned, none have the sensitivity required, and most also do not have rubber surrounds. I think i'm gonna settle on a Vifa Pl26
-09-08. It's got everything but the sensitivity, and as you mention, room gain may give me the extra dB or two that I'm looking for. Anyway, if nothing turns up in the next few days, I'm moving on and hoping the driver integrates with the others already boxed and waiting. Thanks again for the input. I'm using a four way series design (the first three are in a separate box sitting on top of the box waiting for the other driver I've been looking for. I'm using a Morel MDT30, crossed at 2700Hz to a Seas CB17RCY/P, which in turn, strangely enough, is crossed to an Audax HM210GO at 270Hz. The combination sounds better than I'd anticipated, and I have to say that I haven't heard anything sound as good (without deep base, of course) in most of the audition rooms I've been in recently. Hopefully, the additional driver will give me the extra slam needed to register the realism in Welli's Victory as well as other works. Anyway, best of luck to you guys.
check out those focal woofers there are a few with high Qts (0.4 and greater) and sens above 90db.
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