Pro sound woofers trade large excursion for high sensitivity with a shorter voice coil. They spend a good deal of time operating outside their linear range. The suspension of a pro sound woofer is designed to keep the cone stable even outside of the motor's linear excursion range. This is a no-no for high fidelity, though.
OMNIFEX said:
Hold on there kimosabee 😀
Have you Actually Heard A Bassmaxx B Zero, loaded with
a McCauley 6174?
Do you know side to side comparison Bassmaxx -vs- Lab Sub,
that the similarites are so close you can't decide which one to
choose?
Thanks for the literature, but, it doesn't mean anything.
Thats just one mans technical view of the matter. Maybe he should listen to Bassmaxx B Zero loaded with a McCauley 6174, and, let his ears decide.
Rock On!!!!
Have you Actually Heard A Bassmaxx B Zero, loaded with
a McCauley 6174?
Nope.Ive only heard 2 WSX hornbins in 1pi/2pi space.
Do you know side to side comparison Bassmaxx -vs- Lab Sub,
that the similarites are so close you can't decide which one to
choose?
Actualy,that may,or may not be true-ive had reports of the Bassmaxx scoops of sounding more 'open' and 'warm'.
Thanks for the literature, but, it doesn't mean anything.
Such ignorance! It has a very large meaning.
Well,perhaps with your close mind youl never reach your sub potential - and open minded people will carry on getting the best results by making the right choices and compromises.
Reactance annulling is a well known principle and works well.
Basically put its like reducing the power factor to almost 1.
This isnt some airey fairey crazy man making comments about topics he doesnt know- look at his credentials- do you have those? Can you question his comments as being untrue?
-A loudspeaker should have the lowest distortion-it shouldnt be 'musical' in itself.
Sure id love to hear a Bassmaxx vs Labhorn- But i doubt that il ever hear both -Ever!
Michigan subwoofer shoot out measurements revealed the labhorn to have the best measurements-and this is 2 average quality 12" drivers vs almost 1000$ 18" driver.
Im a big beleiver in realising Pyschoacoustics,and understanding them in a way to actualy find whats better.
No hard feelings from me,but your ignorance regarding this technical issue is amazing-you wont even have a read and consider...
Cheers!
No Ignorance Dude, its just you are knocking something you haven't heard.
Think about it. Its like food. If you read a bad review on a dish
served in a restaurant, does it mean you won't like it?
C'mon dude! All the technical praise in the world doesn't mean anything, if you don't like it.
Yet, you are putting down the Bassmaxx, without actually hearing
it.
The Martin WSX is not in the same league as the Lab Sub or Bassmaxx.
Thats not even a sub its a bass bin. (Yes! I've heard it!!)
Put Four Bassmaxx, or Lab Subs together, and you are getting
in the higher 20's. Put four WSX together, you are in the middle
40's.
All I'm saying is give it a try. You are quoting some dude that was
talking about Rearloaded horns in the era of 1974. The Bassmaxx
came out around 1999. Completely different from the Rearloaded
Scoops in the past.
I guess you are one of those guys that won't let your ears be the deciding factor.
Thats all that really matters in the end.........What sounds pleasing to the ear.
Rock On !
Think about it. Its like food. If you read a bad review on a dish
served in a restaurant, does it mean you won't like it?
C'mon dude! All the technical praise in the world doesn't mean anything, if you don't like it.
Yet, you are putting down the Bassmaxx, without actually hearing
it.
The Martin WSX is not in the same league as the Lab Sub or Bassmaxx.
Thats not even a sub its a bass bin. (Yes! I've heard it!!)
Put Four Bassmaxx, or Lab Subs together, and you are getting
in the higher 20's. Put four WSX together, you are in the middle
40's.
All I'm saying is give it a try. You are quoting some dude that was
talking about Rearloaded horns in the era of 1974. The Bassmaxx
came out around 1999. Completely different from the Rearloaded
Scoops in the past.
I guess you are one of those guys that won't let your ears be the deciding factor.
Thats all that really matters in the end.........What sounds pleasing to the ear.
Rock On !
Hi Omnifex
1) Everyone said they sound linear,and not WARM(everyone says they sound warm - which i dont want.
2) the mere fact that they are horn loaded on one side doesnt seem like common sense.
Regards
Mike.e
Actually I use my ears,but realise Pyschoacoustics to the best of my ability-this way i wont be tricked into thinking that warm harmonic musical bass is actualy music,when its distortion.
Yes it is! ive heard 2 in my local club, almost once a week for the past year. It certainly reaches below 50hz-plenty enough for most music. certainly they dont reach to 25hz-but how many 500litre subs do effectively 😉
I would give scoops a try if
1) Everyone said they sound linear,and not WARM(everyone says they sound warm - which i dont want.
2) the mere fact that they are horn loaded on one side doesnt seem like common sense.
Back up a statement with fact. They are a scoop,no matter what the marketing department would have you beleive.Front loaded,no sealed rear chamber. Large woofer with high xmax.
The issue has been proven,and not disproven since then. Much horn theory has been discovered in the last 60yrs,but in the last 30yrs,not changed much.
Regards
Mike.e
What about cabinet dimensions?
You don't feel that will change the sound?
I'm not talking about a box that JBL made when woodstock
was thee place to be.
The Bassmaxx is twice the size of a JBL Scoop in depth.
Longer Horn, and, Bigger Mouth. They don't sound the
same.
Call it what you may, but again, the bottomline is if they
sound pleasing to the ear.
And, by you not actually hearing them, you are just giving
a theory, on something you've never heard.
Thats like saying in theory, ketchup is ketchup. When
in fact, I prefer Del Monte, over Heinz.
Should I agrue with my taste buds that, theory says
its supposed to taste the same, or should I take which
one I like best?
You said, you want a "Linear Sound". Linear to me is
flat, and, dull sounding. Warm however, is more pleasing
to me. 😉
So, Dude. As I stated previously "Give Me A Bassmaxx B
Zero loaded with a McCauley 6174, and let the party begin" 😀
We will never agree on this, for we are worlds apart in
musical taste.
Good luck finding you "Linear Sound" dude. I've seen
many people try, and, still can't get it. Some even
remodeled their homes to to get a Linear Sound.
It would be cheaper to just to buy some land, and,
play your speakers in the open field.
Rock On !
Oh,im half way there in the bass department, my 2226 with flux shorting ring,and SFG sounds great on BR.. When i horn it,that will be all i need for bass for a long time.
Then it just remains to fix the tops(longer and harder effort)
All that matters is the truth! The theory is just an idea that hasnt been disproven.
The cabinet dimensions will change
-Panel resonances
-Determine folding method
-Determine upper usage frequency-where the 2 parallel walls are 1/2wavelength apart and cause bad response.
-Im not talking about JBL scoops,infact i never mentioned them.
What I did mention is how im going to horn load my 15" jbl.
Dude. When you complete your project, don't forget to listen
to it, and throw the book in the corner. 😀
The greatest learning process is Trial And Error.
No book can't teach you to F** - U* (I did that) 😀
You gotta earn that on your own
The greatest inventions, came from mistakes
Rock On !
to it, and throw the book in the corner. 😀
The greatest learning process is Trial And Error.
No book can't teach you to F** - U* (I did that) 😀
You gotta earn that on your own
The greatest inventions, came from mistakes
Rock On !
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