The german speakerbuilding magazine "klang & ton" has advertisements for some driver brands I've never heard about.
The brands are: Mivoc, Ravemaster, raveland, Number One
Anyone know these brands? any good? They are rather cheap, so..
Mivoc also has some nicely priced sub-amps.
A site that sells some of these brands:
www.speakertrade.com
The brands are: Mivoc, Ravemaster, raveland, Number One
Anyone know these brands? any good? They are rather cheap, so..
Mivoc also has some nicely priced sub-amps.
A site that sells some of these brands:
www.speakertrade.com
DIY_Peter said:
All new to me, but the clear enclosure is king of neat (although perhaps underdamped 😀
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dave
Re: Re: Does anyone know these drivers?
could be they left away the damping material just to have a nicer picture 🙂
Raveland seems to be a US brand...
planet10 said:
could be they left away the damping material just to have a nicer picture 🙂
Raveland seems to be a US brand...
Many of these speakers seem to measure credably in K&T and Hobby Hi-Fi and are also put to good use in the Speakers that the abovementioned magazines brew up. Mivoc and Ravemaster/Raveland are products of Speakertrade. Number one is related to Monacor (I have a MSH 116/4 mid and a DT-28N neodymium tweeter waiting to be mated to 2x KEF B200 per side) still waiting for my Panasonic capsules from Digikey.
I would recommend having a look at the projects at www.lautsprechershop.de and perhaps buying the relevant K&T or Hobby Hi-Fi if something catches your fancy.
I would recommend having a look at the projects at www.lautsprechershop.de and perhaps buying the relevant K&T or Hobby Hi-Fi if something catches your fancy.
mgoedeke said:
Some nice projects on those sites. To bad my german isn't very good.
Those woofers from ravemaster are really cheap. How would these drivers compare to Peerless drivers? Would the difference be small?
DIY_Peter said:
Mivoc and Ravemaster are also sold by Conrad in Europe. Both seem to be standard big volume OEM things with a "new" name. Don't know about Number One.
http://www.conrad.de/
I used to have a speaker building club at the school I teach at. We got our drivers from Zalytron, usually using whatever was cheap -- discontinued drivers, overruns and so on. Built a few systems with a Mivoc 6.5 poly woofer. Well made and nice sounding for the price. I don't know if they are the greatest things in the world -- our designs weren't state of the art -- but I would think it would be well worth trying them out.
It all depends on what you call budget...
I think they are a little better than budget speakers. They get good reviews in most magazines...
I think they are a little better than budget speakers. They get good reviews in most magazines...
redrumjoe666 said:
Like in all things hifi price is not a totally accurate predictor of quality.
dave
Responding to Redrumjoe666: I think you are too dismissive, and I wonder if your opinion is based on actual experience. Are you basing your assessment on looks? A poor criterion, in my opinion -- there are a lot of beautiful pieces of equipment that don't sound so beautiful. This is true of raw drivers, finished speakers, and any other item you can mention. Are you basing your assessment on price? This seems an even worse indicator of excellence -- manufacturers have figured out that they can charge almost they want, and someone will buy it. And having bought it, will be psychologically bound to claim that it is the greatest thing since sliced bread. At least something that looks nice will always look nice. Something that is expensive makes you feel ripped off once you come to your senses.
On a more concrete level -- there is no such thing as a speaker that is best, or for that matter, even good. It all depends on application. A driver that is used with the wrong alignment or in the wrong location will not sound good. We have all had the experience of hearing inexpensive components that are well matched and set up properly sound great. And the reverse. I suggest that a trip to any highend store will show you that spending more money doesn't neccessarily improve the result.
My experience is that Mivocs may be a good deal for the price, and it is worth trying them out. I hate to see people not try something because its not expensive enough....
On a more concrete level -- there is no such thing as a speaker that is best, or for that matter, even good. It all depends on application. A driver that is used with the wrong alignment or in the wrong location will not sound good. We have all had the experience of hearing inexpensive components that are well matched and set up properly sound great. And the reverse. I suggest that a trip to any highend store will show you that spending more money doesn't neccessarily improve the result.
My experience is that Mivocs may be a good deal for the price, and it is worth trying them out. I hate to see people not try something because its not expensive enough....
When Hobby HiFi developed the SB180 and later the 2.5 SB180-II, it became a hit in the DIY crowd.
I quote from http://www.lautsprechershop.de/hifi/bau_sb19.htm ...
Sie wird von Hn. Timmermanns sehr gelobt: "Es ist sehr beachtlich, welch hohes Qualitätsniveau Mivoc mit ausserordentlich preiswerten Komponenten erreicht. Der Hörtest lies den Bausatzpreis von nur 225 DM (ca. 120 EUR) pro Stück sofort vergessen ..."
Rough translation : The level of Quality Mivoc has achieved with their inexpensive Components is surprising. The Listening test let the Kit's price of 120 Euro be forgotten immediately.
Bernd Timmermans is the Editor of Hobby Hi-Fi and as Editor of and major contributer to the magazine has a fair bit of experience in developing speakers, so I take the source as being fairly credible.
I quote from http://www.lautsprechershop.de/hifi/bau_sb19.htm ...
Sie wird von Hn. Timmermanns sehr gelobt: "Es ist sehr beachtlich, welch hohes Qualitätsniveau Mivoc mit ausserordentlich preiswerten Komponenten erreicht. Der Hörtest lies den Bausatzpreis von nur 225 DM (ca. 120 EUR) pro Stück sofort vergessen ..."
Rough translation : The level of Quality Mivoc has achieved with their inexpensive Components is surprising. The Listening test let the Kit's price of 120 Euro be forgotten immediately.
Bernd Timmermans is the Editor of Hobby Hi-Fi and as Editor of and major contributer to the magazine has a fair bit of experience in developing speakers, so I take the source as being fairly credible.
I took a look at that SB180 II speaker. Looks ok. But It's not really such a good deal.
I've build a two way MTM with peerless wa10 tweeter and 2 peerless HDS182 mid-woofers, and they cost about the same.
I'm pretty sure those are better drivers. The hds182 is a really good mid-woofer.
So I don't consider mivoc to be budget drivers. Those Raveland sub-drivers are really cheap though. The latest isue of Klan & Ton has a budget project with a raveland sub in it. One of those "cheap trick" projects. Maybe I'll try one of those in comination with a Mivoc plate amp.
I've build a two way MTM with peerless wa10 tweeter and 2 peerless HDS182 mid-woofers, and they cost about the same.
I'm pretty sure those are better drivers. The hds182 is a really good mid-woofer.
So I don't consider mivoc to be budget drivers. Those Raveland sub-drivers are really cheap though. The latest isue of Klan & Ton has a budget project with a raveland sub in it. One of those "cheap trick" projects. Maybe I'll try one of those in comination with a Mivoc plate amp.
Monacor (aka "Number One" and "Monarch") sells very good drivers!
An example is the excellent mid-driver "MSH-116/4". Look at this incredible frequency response:
Mivoc (which is like Ravemaster an Raveland a brand of "Speakertrade", a German company) also sells professional drivers, like the fantastic subwoofer "HCM 12 T"...
An example is the excellent mid-driver "MSH-116/4". Look at this incredible frequency response:
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Mivoc (which is like Ravemaster an Raveland a brand of "Speakertrade", a German company) also sells professional drivers, like the fantastic subwoofer "HCM 12 T"...
reputation
IMHO those Number one by Monacor speakers easily
outperform far higher priced Audaxes Seases Peerlesses,
they just don´t have their reputation in DIY communities.
Uli
IMHO those Number one by Monacor speakers easily
outperform far higher priced Audaxes Seases Peerlesses,
they just don´t have their reputation in DIY communities.
Uli
I don't know if the Monacor's outperform the Peerless but I've heard these and they sound quite good :
How are these compared against the Peerless CSX176's??
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How are these compared against the Peerless CSX176's??
HY there
The Mivoc woofers / Raveland/Ravemaster AXX series are not bad , even great for the money. I build the 10´´ (AXX 1010) according to the popular "Zebulon" kit that was presented in Hobby Hifi. I also got 2 Peerless XLS 10´´ for my homecinema.
If you ask me - the Raveland / zebulon is a nice and cheap sub , great value for the money. But honestly ... it cannot match a Peerless or Shiva etcetc
It´s a cheap trick , it´ll do for most home cinemas imO.
Take a closer look at the mivoc hcm 12 T , that titanium driver is really something ... but unfortunately very expensive ...
cheers
The Mivoc woofers / Raveland/Ravemaster AXX series are not bad , even great for the money. I build the 10´´ (AXX 1010) according to the popular "Zebulon" kit that was presented in Hobby Hifi. I also got 2 Peerless XLS 10´´ for my homecinema.
If you ask me - the Raveland / zebulon is a nice and cheap sub , great value for the money. But honestly ... it cannot match a Peerless or Shiva etcetc
It´s a cheap trick , it´ll do for most home cinemas imO.
Take a closer look at the mivoc hcm 12 T , that titanium driver is really something ... but unfortunately very expensive ...
cheers
sonicfury said:
I own a Yamaha 320 commercilal sub and have never heard high end subs, like Rell.
In what class is a good DIY peeless 10" of 12" sub?
Would a good "cheap trick" with Raveland drivers be as good as my Yamaha?
Maybe not easy to answer, I admit 🙂
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