macgyver10,maybe all cd playrs and cartridges dont sound the same,but a great many do as well.There are people who claim that they do not hear differences with that equipment but it doesn't separate whether this lack of the ability to hear differences is real'or imagined.How about that?
macgyver10 said:
They may have different electrical properties, but that doesn't mean that they are relevant to the ability of humans to hear those differences.
Maybe all CD players and cartridges don't sound the same, but a great many do as well. There are people who claim to hear differences with that equipment too, but it doesn't separate whether the the audible differences are real, or imagined.
So the same goes for speakers and all other audio components....they may all measure different but that doesn't mean that humans can hear any audible difference right? So if everything sounds the same why not simply save your money and buy a clock radio?
Panicos K said:I wonder why not just listen to a pair of speaker cables till u r sure of what you heard,switch the system off,change to another speaker cable,switch on the system and repeat the listening test.Choose a real system and go for it.This is how we hear the music,this is how a system works.Any test proposals that differ from this simple test to my opinion comes from the heads mostly of people knowing much about numbers and little if anything about music.Not to mention their refusal to spend more time on real comparative tests than calculations.Training your ears by listening to more and more components will eventually make you a better listener while making more and more calculations will eventually make you worse.And a better listener enjoys music.
Indeed, I've just once listened to the professional condencer mic connected to the cable that by definition has some capacitance, and decided to modify the amp in microphone because it has "colourful signature on highs" that really are rectifications of highes on p-n junctions.
The same about power amps... There is a famous Russian saying, "Bad dancer is blaiming on balls". 😎
Panicos K said:Come on audiophile36,pay something more and get the version with the music alarm.
lol....but could you please answer this question: is your system anything more than a clock radio?
wavebourn,theese bad matchings is something that happens everyday and it is something that can only be avoided by careful listening.Careful listening makes a good choise.
Panicos K said:audiophile36,yes it is......................
I know you are not telling the truth.It's a shame because you can't defend your idea that cables don't sound different even with different electrical properties because if you believe that then you must believe the same for any other audio component that measures different from another.
Currently we have nothing BUT subjective results.
Nothing wrong with subjective results. That's the meat we dine on. The problem is that all we have are uncontrolled subjective results. That's useless for demonstrating audibility of factors beyond gross effects of simple LCR.
jneutron said:
The rest of your post, you seem to be thinking in terms of RFI. I have not been talking about that at all. Yes, an issue of course, but I'm talking about stuff in the audible range, EMI below 20K.
EMI, RFI; my thinking is frequency agnostic.

SY,the effect of simple LCR can only change,even control if you like only the frequency balance of sound.But it cannot change or control aspects of sound like resolution,depth,transient response etc.Theese aspects can be changed,and controlled only by the use of superior materials like insulations,purer and more refined metals etc, even surface smoothness of a conductor.Theese materials and manufacturing techniques unfortunately are not within the ability of diy'ers like us,and we all know that it is this lack of manufacturing ability of ours that many of us are paying to the ''high-end''cable makers.
Hi All
Here is a test you might find interesting using the Woofer Tester to measure the inductance of the supplied test leads (2x 36" banana to aligator clip). One plot is with the leads wrapped around each other and the other is an open loop with 72" circumfrence. We demonstrate this to show the goodness of the WT when it comes to measuring inductors.
For myself, I cant say that I believe in the esoteric cable theories. However, if you are say connecting to say a low impedance ribbon using 72" of ought gauge battery cable, I would not run the wires up the sides of the cabinet as the inductance is going to have an effect. You would be better off using heavy guage zip cord.
Best regards,
Keith Larson (WT-Pro)
www.woofertester.com
Here is a test you might find interesting using the Woofer Tester to measure the inductance of the supplied test leads (2x 36" banana to aligator clip). One plot is with the leads wrapped around each other and the other is an open loop with 72" circumfrence. We demonstrate this to show the goodness of the WT when it comes to measuring inductors.
For myself, I cant say that I believe in the esoteric cable theories. However, if you are say connecting to say a low impedance ribbon using 72" of ought gauge battery cable, I would not run the wires up the sides of the cabinet as the inductance is going to have an effect. You would be better off using heavy guage zip cord.
Best regards,
Keith Larson (WT-Pro)
www.woofertester.com
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...aspects of sound like resolution,depth,transient response etc. Theese aspects can be changed,and controlled only by the use of superior materials like insulations,purer and more refined metals etc, even surface smoothness of a conductor.
That's the claim, anyway. The evidence is mighty lacking. Lots of olympian pronouncements...
You don't have to say anything. They speak for themselves. In fact, I don't think you even need transducers.
And they make coffee in the morning.
I wonder how expensive your speakers have to be to justify those?
And they make coffee in the morning.
I wonder how expensive your speakers have to be to justify those?
I'm waiting for Xenon. That stuff gets you high at least.
As much as the cables cost, you'd think they could afford to write technical copy that wasn't gibberish.
As much as the cables cost, you'd think they could afford to write technical copy that wasn't gibberish.
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