No safe conclusion can be drawn under ABX blind pressure IMHO.
Music is art and reproducing art must be appreciated and compared under relaxed and well informed situations for as long as needed.
For one I can not feel OK under pressure. I also need all senses. With closed eyes I listen more vaguely.
Under Pressure
Music is art and reproducing art must be appreciated and compared under relaxed and well informed situations for as long as needed.
For one I can not feel OK under pressure. I also need all senses. With closed eyes I listen more vaguely.
Under Pressure
The ABX blind is testing. Testing calls for performing judgment. Performing right. Thats pressure.
How do you explain that the same "pressure" doesn't seem to affect people's ability to detect minuscule level changes, EQ, and phase shifts?* What magic do these parameters have that chases away the pressure ghosts?
*Or, for that matter, do blind indentification of wines, even though the tasters are not at the dinner table enjoying themselves, but in an artifical lab situation. Or worse yet, taking their WSET, MW, or MS exams...
*Or, for that matter, do blind indentification of wines, even though the tasters are not at the dinner table enjoying themselves, but in an artifical lab situation. Or worse yet, taking their WSET, MW, or MS exams...
tinitus said:
Brain research has shown that the physical brain 'wiring' can indeed differ enormously, but that *functionally* they are very, very much alike. I covered that 😉
I leave the last word to you.
Goodnight,
Jan Didden
SY said:
The level changes, the EQ, and phase shifts are sorted out by the physical part of the auditory system. Pinna, eardrum, cochlia. Rest 80% is brain processing, my Msc in Acoustics teacher told me when I was attending psychoacoustics seminars many many years ago. I guess it takes adjustment in listening under ABX blind. For me its so alien, I could never feel good. Maybe some people are good at it, like some are good in one sport and some on another. I don't know more. Speaking for my self.
Interesting, I always close my eyes when listening unless I'm reading score along with it, which makes for another kind of experience altogether. In any case I find it most beneficial and highly recommend it.
eStatic said:
Its something that always raised a question mark to me too. Most people I see enjoying music, dim lights and close eyes some time. Me to the opposite, the dimmer the light, the heavier and more vague the sound.
salas said:
I should make clear that I'm not talking about sound perception rather a subjective experience of heightened focus/”reception” of the aesthetics/abstract-meaning of the music.
eStatic said:
Yes, the sink in factor. I do understand you. For me all is better when there is light. Even the feelings that music evokes.
They say blind people have acute hearing bcs they lack vision and rely heavily on rest of perceptions. So there must be strong education and psychic factors after all. So character and mood must be filters too. Maybe my old acoustics teacher knew it well. Maybe 80% is in the brain.
john curl said:
True, very much so. THC too, but milder. So there is much post processing going on if brain chemistry altering substances surely work as audio filters or chaotic enhancers.
Pan said:
No surprises. No differences could be detected in a blind test.
I bet that if the original sample was subjected to the same blind test (it clearly was not), "differences" wouldn't be heard either.
"Few tenths of a dB down above 10kHz" ??? Who was on the panel ? A flock of bats ? 😀
Of course it is. By the way, LSD can fill in the missing parts and you REALLY can't tell: 'live from Memorex'. Happened to me once. When I was 29, a long time ago. 
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