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DIY Waveguide loudspeaker kit

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DE250 16 Ohm

Hi Earl,

Your kit webpage says that you use the DE250-16, which is the 16 ohm version of this driver(?). Is it a deliberate design choice to use 16 ohm versions? If so, for what reason/s? So if one is to source their own drivers (which I surmise are mostly 8 Ohms in the retail market), would a different set of crossover values be used?

Thank you.
 
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Re: DE250 16 Ohm

fred76 said:
Hi Earl,

Your kit webpage says that you use the DE250-16, which is the 16 ohm version of this driver(?). Is it a deliberate design choice to use 16 ohm versions? If so, for what reason/s? So if one is to source their own drivers (which I surmise are mostly 8 Ohms in the retail market), would a different set of crossover values be used?

Thank you.
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Yes of course its deliberate. The reason is that the voltage efficiency of the 8 ohm is too high so the higher Re helps. If you don't use exactly the same driver that the crossover was designed for it won't work properly. This is always the case.
 
#485
We used the Eminence 12 HO with the shorting ring in the ESP12 because we thought (based on some early tests and published specs) it did not have a small dimple in the woofers passband that the 12TBX100 had. But when we got the bulk shipment they all had the same problem as the 12TBX100. If the prices are comparable then I would opt for the B&C, but as I recall the price that I get on the Eminence was quite a bit lower than the B&C and since it worked about the same the Eminence was attractive. But this reduction is not $100, more like $50.
 
#489
Patrick Bateman said:
The "real" Summa is a no-compromise design that mates a 15" waveguide & a 15" woofer. The achilles heel of the Summa is the woofer. There are only a handful of 15" woofers which can play into the midrange. The B&C 15TBX100 fits the bill, but it is E-X-P-E-N-S-I-V-E.
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I know that others have mentioned the 15" Lambda designs, now sold by AE. I can tell you from personal experience that mine play and measure very well. I have the Lambda Apollo motor TDX, and they are expensive too. But I would guess that the main difference between the Apollo and the single shorting ring would be at very high SPL levels, so the Apollo is likely overkill here.

Sheldon
 
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Re: Re: DE250 16 Ohm

gedlee said:



Yes of course its deliberate. The reason is that the voltage efficiency of the 8 ohm is too high so the higher Re helps. If you don't use exactly the same driver that the crossover was designed for it won't work properly. This is always the case.
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Thank you Earl... So if used with an 8 ohm woofer, the woofer gets most of the power.

Some Summa pics from an old thread I found online: http://www.audiocircle.com/circles/index.php?topic=24627.0
 
#493
MethMan said:
I have a pair of DE250 - 8ohms and Nathan uses 16 ohms. Does anybody know if there is a difference between 8ohm and 16ohm version except the coil? Is it interchangeable?
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They are identical except for the number of turns on the VC and the wire size. Same performance. But unfortunately they are not interchangable because of the crossover design.
 
#494
peufeu said:
As I said before I am interested in the 15" version (is it the Abbey ?), anyway let's call this the "director's cut" version of the kit, lol, if the shipping problems to euroland can be solved...
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The Abbey has a 12" waveguide, the Abbey+ is a 12" woofer and 15" waveguide. There are no current plans for a Summa replacement.
 
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Re: DE250

Grumpy_Git said:
The DE250 is listed on the B&C website as an 8 Ohm driver, is the 16 Ohm version you use a special order item?

Nick.
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No they stock them here in the US. It may be different in other parts of the world however. Its just a diaphragm change. 8 or 16 is pretty much arbitrary, but the 16 ohm keeps the pad resistors smaller. I used 8 for years and then switched to 16. It makes the other components in the crossover smaller and less expensive.
 
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