You're certainly free to have no standards and feel that dishonest claims are OK. And you're certainly free to allow a scammer to try to sully your hard-earned reputation in exchange for a few nice meals and getting to ride around in a fancy car. You may forgive him for that, but I can't. He's using someone who is honest to take the bullets for his scam, and that's (IMO) reprehensible.
Oh, I have standards, MY EARS, that is first and foremost. I proved these devices, with my ears, over 15 years ago, BEFORE I even met Jack Bybee. The rest is very rare, and I give Jack as much as I get. He and I share love of audio. Sometimes, good food, very little else. When I made an honest living with Parasound, several years ago, I was expected to pay for 1/2 of the lunches that we had together, even Chez Panisse.
Not to put too fine a point on it, but these investigations, as well as McCarthy's Senate Oversight Committee hearings were legitimate, and resulted in lawful convictions based on excellent evidence. With Bybee devices, there is no real evidence whatsoever. There could be some similarity to the McCarthy hearings in the sense that McCarthy had a list of Russian agents who worked for the State Department as well as Monmouth Laboratories, but the real evidence was confidential and he had no access to it. So SY is in a like position where if he knew the "secrets" of the Bybee devices he could easily debunk their effect on an audio signal.
John
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Hi,
Are you quite sure?
Actually, this thread was started by the OP asking for help on making his own, "parts cost and personal labour" only version of the Bybee devices.
For all we know they may be a fancily wrapped piece of wire or the RFI Suppressors I remember seeing or something else entirely.
THAT IS THE POINT OF THIS THREAD.
The commercial side is actually irrelevant.
Actually, I am not sitting on the fence (that is actually quite painful), I am sitting between the two proverbial chairs. On the floor. Looking a lot like certain well fed idol. The benefit of the "on solid ground" syitting becomes obvious at the next earthquake...
I do know this quote and the fact that I still give voice here should be taken as an illustration that I have given up forbearance quite substantially.
Remember, each sword has two edges... They both cut.
I kind of go with Ghandi on this. It is not my job to win the argument or even to make any of the protagonists agree, it is my job to highlight the injustice.
Few people would call me naive. I am someone who wants to believe in human goodness and is genuinely delighted when people show their best, but I have long come to a point when I am not surprised to see their worst, just as in this thread.
So, you are so far off topic, at leat as far as the OP's posts is concerend it's not funny. Maybe the thread should be split into the:
"Lets make a DIY Copy of the Bybee Purifier which according to the orthodox shepherds of this congregation does absolutely nothing" Thread (eg. the constructive one for constructive people)
and the:
"Lets have some more Bybee bashing and whitchhunting" thread where all those who wish to debunk a fraud may vent their righteous anger and indignation?
I promise to post only to the first thread.
I have no real interest to reform anyone (not that anyone actually CAN reform someone else, at best they may rectify themselves), but I have a passing interrest in knowledge and truth.
Currently the most vocal posters in this thread seem to wish to deny either.
Funny. Actually, I am probably one of the few here who DO KNOW what to do with a ballot paper. Especially one where you presented with a "United Front" list that disallows choice, differing opinions, opposition and where the vote is fully rigged anyway. You can be DAMN SURE I know exactly what to do with such a Ballot.
So, Sy is okay calling anything he disagrees with "scam" and this is considered the mark of an engineer? Pulleeese. I do not BTW attack Sy personally, I do attack his public position taken in this thread, namely of extreme un-constructiveness without any direct experience.
Going back to the OP, some-one wants to know how the Bybee Quantum Purifiers work and how to make his own.
If we for a moment put aside all the ** and all the geifering and wingflapping going on here, we actually had another poster kind of confirming my take.
He wrote "ferrite and...other stuff". And he was clearly not a Bybee supporter.
I personally note the devices inside these purifiers appear to be a variant of "ferrite" (making it of course no longer ferrite, except in common parlance for magnetic ceramics) that likely omits Iron.
So we arrive at a sensible recommendation for someone trying to see the DIY way if there is anything, namely look for commercial ceramic RFI Suppressors that do not contain iron (eg. not ferrite).
Now such a recommendation could have come from Sy. Had he been less bent on banging on about frauds and scammers and nigerians but a little more interested in what is really happening.
Can such devices in speaker leads or mains cables etc. make appreciable differences that can be measured and or heard? Well, that is another story.
However if Bybee Purifiers are basically "disguised" RFI suppressors they certainly CAN have an effect in certain conditions.
Again, note that non of this has anything to do with the actual eXistenCe of Mr Bybee or not, if he forged his credentials or not, if his explanation of the workings of his devices (if he is real) is accurate, can be sustained by current or future scientific theory, if his devices represent fair value for money, if he (if he is real and not just a figment of his accountants immagination) is an honest person or a scammer worse than nigerians 911's and so on.
All of that is in the sphere of social interactions which have zero bearing on the OP's quest. It has however all to do with dealing the material (as in made from actual matter and not from methaphorical hot air) subject at the core of this whole thread.
One might say that the actual original subject of this thread and the majority of the "debunking" discussion occupy seperate and non-overlapping magisteria.
Ciao T
Are you quite sure?
Actually, this thread was started by the OP asking for help on making his own, "parts cost and personal labour" only version of the Bybee devices.
For all we know they may be a fancily wrapped piece of wire or the RFI Suppressors I remember seeing or something else entirely.
THAT IS THE POINT OF THIS THREAD.
The commercial side is actually irrelevant.
Actually, I am not sitting on the fence (that is actually quite painful), I am sitting between the two proverbial chairs. On the floor. Looking a lot like certain well fed idol. The benefit of the "on solid ground" syitting becomes obvious at the next earthquake...
I do know this quote and the fact that I still give voice here should be taken as an illustration that I have given up forbearance quite substantially.
Remember, each sword has two edges... They both cut.
I kind of go with Ghandi on this. It is not my job to win the argument or even to make any of the protagonists agree, it is my job to highlight the injustice.
Few people would call me naive. I am someone who wants to believe in human goodness and is genuinely delighted when people show their best, but I have long come to a point when I am not surprised to see their worst, just as in this thread.
So, you are so far off topic, at leat as far as the OP's posts is concerend it's not funny. Maybe the thread should be split into the:
"Lets make a DIY Copy of the Bybee Purifier which according to the orthodox shepherds of this congregation does absolutely nothing" Thread (eg. the constructive one for constructive people)
and the:
"Lets have some more Bybee bashing and whitchhunting" thread where all those who wish to debunk a fraud may vent their righteous anger and indignation?
I promise to post only to the first thread.
I have no real interest to reform anyone (not that anyone actually CAN reform someone else, at best they may rectify themselves), but I have a passing interrest in knowledge and truth.
Currently the most vocal posters in this thread seem to wish to deny either.
Funny. Actually, I am probably one of the few here who DO KNOW what to do with a ballot paper. Especially one where you presented with a "United Front" list that disallows choice, differing opinions, opposition and where the vote is fully rigged anyway. You can be DAMN SURE I know exactly what to do with such a Ballot.
So, Sy is okay calling anything he disagrees with "scam" and this is considered the mark of an engineer? Pulleeese. I do not BTW attack Sy personally, I do attack his public position taken in this thread, namely of extreme un-constructiveness without any direct experience.
Going back to the OP, some-one wants to know how the Bybee Quantum Purifiers work and how to make his own.
If we for a moment put aside all the ** and all the geifering and wingflapping going on here, we actually had another poster kind of confirming my take.
He wrote "ferrite and...other stuff". And he was clearly not a Bybee supporter.
I personally note the devices inside these purifiers appear to be a variant of "ferrite" (making it of course no longer ferrite, except in common parlance for magnetic ceramics) that likely omits Iron.
So we arrive at a sensible recommendation for someone trying to see the DIY way if there is anything, namely look for commercial ceramic RFI Suppressors that do not contain iron (eg. not ferrite).
Now such a recommendation could have come from Sy. Had he been less bent on banging on about frauds and scammers and nigerians but a little more interested in what is really happening.
Can such devices in speaker leads or mains cables etc. make appreciable differences that can be measured and or heard? Well, that is another story.
However if Bybee Purifiers are basically "disguised" RFI suppressors they certainly CAN have an effect in certain conditions.
Again, note that non of this has anything to do with the actual eXistenCe of Mr Bybee or not, if he forged his credentials or not, if his explanation of the workings of his devices (if he is real) is accurate, can be sustained by current or future scientific theory, if his devices represent fair value for money, if he (if he is real and not just a figment of his accountants immagination) is an honest person or a scammer worse than nigerians 911's and so on.
All of that is in the sphere of social interactions which have zero bearing on the OP's quest. It has however all to do with dealing the material (as in made from actual matter and not from methaphorical hot air) subject at the core of this whole thread.
One might say that the actual original subject of this thread and the majority of the "debunking" discussion occupy seperate and non-overlapping magisteria.
Ciao T
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Just where your evidence for this is I am at a loss to discover.
SY calls anything he disagrees with a "scam".
The poverty of your argument drives you to extremes of exaggeration beyond credibility. You are destroying your own case. Post some more.
w
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Jack called me from Lake Tahoe. Unfortunately, I was taking to Teresa (reviewer for 'Positive Feedback') and I could not take his call. Maybe later. ;-)
Enough gentlemen. Your pokes at each other are worse than anything else in this thread. Let's call it a day on the sniping. One more gets you time in the box.
Hi Cal, do I still have to be on moderation? I have been good, haven't I?
These claims have required violation of several first principles to work. Do they filter like ferrite beads on steroids or knowing the difference between noise and signal like a Maxwell's demon? When you put one in series with a 1k resistor and measure 3nV at 25C call me.
These devices don't appear to violate anything. They just convert one form of energy to another. IE certain electron states to heat, converting the electrons from one state to another. I might venture that they convert inelastic electrons into elastic electrons by some means. That is only a guess, but a pretty good one.
Removing noise in favor of signal violates information theory. Since it is becoming widley accepted that there is an equivalence of information and energy at some level the second law is also violated.
Not being an expert on qualities of electrons, I did a bit of googling. I found no evidence that electrons can be either 'elastic' or 'inelastic' - rather that collisions involving them can be characterized with those two terms. So do please enlighten us John - do electons now have some 'hidden variable' of elasticity?
OK, I found a book here that describes in general, what I am talking about.
It is: 'Light and Electron Microscopy' Slayter and Slayter, Cambridge University Press,
ISBN 0-521-33948-0 pp. 102-103
"Electron scattering is described in terms of events (collisions) that may be either 'elastic' or 'inelastic'. ... " So if you could get electrons to behave themselves, maybe they would be more 'elastic' than 'inelastic'. That is the challenge. (actually this is just my imagination talking, don't take it too seriously)
It is: 'Light and Electron Microscopy' Slayter and Slayter, Cambridge University Press,
ISBN 0-521-33948-0 pp. 102-103
"Electron scattering is described in terms of events (collisions) that may be either 'elastic' or 'inelastic'. ... " So if you could get electrons to behave themselves, maybe they would be more 'elastic' than 'inelastic'. That is the challenge. (actually this is just my imagination talking, don't take it too seriously)
Point, how do we know the material is not a ferrite based material! Hearsay or spectrum anaysis!
If it was still classified, the powers that be wouldn't like it being out in the public domain.
If it was still classified, the powers that be wouldn't like it being out in the public domain.
Any, even the most crazy theory is good to support the claims. The only condition is that the theory must be unprovable 😀.
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