I've no intention of reading his book - but making up a meaningless silly name for something approaching 100 years old doesn't impress me at all 😀
Someone asked earlier "why the use of 1KHz for testing", and you (quite correctly) mentioned that it's the standard frequency to use.
However, you failed to mention that it's also used because you get no bass from baffle-less or small baffled speakers 😛
tapped pipe with 109oz magnet 15 vs H-baffle with weak 18 - - not sure of mic distance influence
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True, but the one shown in the picture without a baffle? And how practical are they for musical instrument reproduction? In a home environment you may get by but in a crowded pub with a heavy handed drummer it might be a little more difficult.
Never seen one yet that does - and that was the reason for larger baffles (and cabinets) in the first place.
"Meaningless" and "silly" from the stand point of staunch refusal to evaluate the usage. Good call. Kind of makes all of "operational definition" required in doing science kind of ridiculous, yes? Like using, say, "induced synchronization", used to describe resonance effects in adjacent strings in a sitar, and applying it to the mechanism thought to develop Hebbian neural assemblies from collections of brain cells, in the gamma EEG range. Don't read my dissertation either, it's obviously bogus.
Since you can't be troubled to do your own homework, all in dB/1 w/1 m
f bowl baffle* bare
8 k 84 95 82
4 k 92 90 94
2 k 94 98 99
1 k 100 95 92
500 92 90 85
250 82 70 72
125 72 60 68
* square 24" vertical and horizontal; 463 in^2 after subtracting 12" cut out
Tell the numbers they're wrong. Yes, I know, "no intention". I think we know what that means by now.
Just grabbing one here....
Markbass Standard 104HR Rear-Ported Neo 4x10 BASS Speaker Cabinet
23.4 x 23.8 x 18.9 external, roughly 5.5 ft^3 internal subtracting drivers
103 dB sensitivity, 35Hz to 20 kHz response (incl. xover @ 3.5 kHz to compression horn)
557 in^2 frontal area -
314 in^2 (56%) driver area =
243 in^2 (44%) baffle
Small baffle. Tuned port (not sealed but not detuned)
Small volume for a BASS Speaker Cabinet
It's a ported bass cabinet - I fail to see the relevance? - it's not just a speaker mounted on a baffle.
Yet again posts have had to be deleted. This is a final warning. Penalties have already been handed out previously to some of you. Any more personal insults and off topic garbage and its bin time.
how would you construct a box for these fine drivers 
http://celestion.com/productpdf.php?id=16
http://celestion.com/product/13/celestion_blue/
but I suppose a guitar driver is not supposed to produce more bass than it does in open back design
and maybe you don't want to carry a 500liter guitar combo 😀
http://celestion.com/productpdf.php?id=16
http://celestion.com/product/13/celestion_blue/
but I suppose a guitar driver is not supposed to produce more bass than it does in open back design
and maybe you don't want to carry a 500liter guitar combo 😀
It doesn't really matter, there's not really any low bass from a guitar, so adding a speaker system that has good bass response wouldn't make much difference - while it would reproduce any bass content that was there, is there wasn't any there to reproduce it wouldn't matter.
There's also the concern with a guitar that generally you don't want 'quality', you want a specific 'sound' which may, or may nor, bear any resemblance to how your guitar sounds. Generally for bass guitar you want much better 'quality', and obviously better bass 😀, but probably not high frequencies much at all.
It's keyboards where things are 'best', a keyboard amp/speaker is essentially a HiFi system - you want good bass, good mids, and good highs, all with low distortion.
I've used a keyboard combo occasionally, both for guitar and for bass (and once for both at the same time), it worked perfectly well in all roles - although obviously you don't have the overdriven guitar sound, if that's what you like, but you simply add a pedal between guitar and amp.
My daughter bass combo has a CD input socket, but as there's no tweeter is sounds rubbish playing a CD through, but great with a bass guitar. Adding a cheap and crude piezo tweeter would probably make it quite usable though?.
There's also the concern with a guitar that generally you don't want 'quality', you want a specific 'sound' which may, or may nor, bear any resemblance to how your guitar sounds. Generally for bass guitar you want much better 'quality', and obviously better bass 😀, but probably not high frequencies much at all.
It's keyboards where things are 'best', a keyboard amp/speaker is essentially a HiFi system - you want good bass, good mids, and good highs, all with low distortion.
I've used a keyboard combo occasionally, both for guitar and for bass (and once for both at the same time), it worked perfectly well in all roles - although obviously you don't have the overdriven guitar sound, if that's what you like, but you simply add a pedal between guitar and amp.
My daughter bass combo has a CD input socket, but as there's no tweeter is sounds rubbish playing a CD through, but great with a bass guitar. Adding a cheap and crude piezo tweeter would probably make it quite usable though?.
judging from another thread that was recently posted, I would say not all will aggree with that
if you like a certain kind of powerfull sound, its either a huge setup with multiple drivers, or adding a woofer that has good low end power
You'd said "However, you failed to mention that it's also used because you get no bass from baffle-less or small baffled speakers". The relevance was evidence to the contrary.
OR both. Two towers each with a Trace Elliot 15, two Kustom Turbo 12s and a Peavey compression horn, another pair of towers each with two Peavey Pro 12s, four BOFUs and Peavey compression horn. All designed like closed baffle hifi speakers for accuracy (love that Telecaster twang) as well as power (bass on bottom for floor reflection; powered mixer driven with plenty of headroom). Sometimes you do want a specific sound. For that there's specific combos and f/x. Even then, if you want a lot of volume, you mike the combos into something that's not going to add excessive color of its own. No sense in building them without the ability to serve as bass speakers also. Besides, there's a lot of sounds that come out of a guitar outside the range of E(4) to D(8). Sometimes you want that too.
I think you mis read the poster, at 1Khz there will not be any bass from any speaker.
- E4 ————- 1st———- 329.63Hz
- B3 ————- 2nd——— 246.94 Hz
- G3 ————- 3rd——— 196.00 Hz
- D3 ————- 4th——— 146.83 Hz
- A2 ————- 5th——— 110 Hz
- E2 ————- 6th——— 82.41 Hz
We cross subs at 75hz some people at 100hz
As a sound man we refer to bass less guitars as "his sound is so thin I can't get him in the mix"
Eminence Ramrod and detuned cab - Telecaster Guitar Forum
fwiw I think Karlson sound pretty good with guitar - here's some of mine - but they may not fit the de-tuned category
I've only run the Commonwealth as a hifi speaker so far - Cannabis Rex sounds real good in a K12
fwiw I think Karlson sound pretty good with guitar - here's some of mine - but they may not fit the de-tuned category
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I've only run the Commonwealth as a hifi speaker so far - Cannabis Rex sounds real good in a K12
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No, it was a speaker (or speakers) mounted in a cabinet, as normal - not just mounted on a baffle board.
Good point. But how much fundamental is there in that low E? I ask because a bass guitar should go down to about 40Hz, but few bass cabs can do 40Hz anywhere near the level of their midrange. We hear the harmonics, not the fundamental.
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