hi guys!,
i have a doubt😱
is better :
- Dayton Omnimic + good sound card (better than cliopocket) + DATS
or
- Audiomatica ClioPocket
?
also about fuctions/economic range point of view
are dayton apparatus reliable ?
thank you
i have a doubt😱
is better :
- Dayton Omnimic + good sound card (better than cliopocket) + DATS
or
- Audiomatica ClioPocket
?
also about fuctions/economic range point of view
are dayton apparatus reliable ?
thank you
Hi Diy,
Clio is more full featured.... but better... hmmmmmm
For DIYers OmniMic+DATS is a fantastic time accelerator. Clio has those features and more and I find much of them beyond my skill level. I still want one for Christmas though. 🙂
OmniMic + DATS is windows only. I _believe_ Clio is Win and OS X. (double check this!).
I've had perfect reliability with OmniMic and DATS, but I'm a hobbyist and only pull them out about 2x a year.
One OmniMic annoyance is it doesn't generate it's own test signals, but relies on playing a CD or DVD. Clio self-generates all those signals.
OmniMic also has features for simulating and creating bi-quad filters for miniDSP as well as FR splicing. I'm not sure Clio does.
Hopefully you'll hear more from a Clio user, I'm going from the manuals and my poor memory.
Best,
Erik
Clio is more full featured.... but better... hmmmmmm
For DIYers OmniMic+DATS is a fantastic time accelerator. Clio has those features and more and I find much of them beyond my skill level. I still want one for Christmas though. 🙂
OmniMic + DATS is windows only. I _believe_ Clio is Win and OS X. (double check this!).
I've had perfect reliability with OmniMic and DATS, but I'm a hobbyist and only pull them out about 2x a year.
One OmniMic annoyance is it doesn't generate it's own test signals, but relies on playing a CD or DVD. Clio self-generates all those signals.
OmniMic also has features for simulating and creating bi-quad filters for miniDSP as well as FR splicing. I'm not sure Clio does.
Hopefully you'll hear more from a Clio user, I'm going from the manuals and my poor memory.
Best,
Erik
I should also say that the three tools which made this hobby possible and fun for me (given my life, health, time) were:
OmniMic, DATS and XSim. Two of which were written by Bill Waslo, a frequent visitor. Thanks Bill.
Erik
OmniMic, DATS and XSim. Two of which were written by Bill Waslo, a frequent visitor. Thanks Bill.
Erik
Hi diy
I have LMS, OmniMic, DATS and SoundEasy.
For diy purposes, OmniMic is good enough. As for reliability, that has to do more with your pc. OmniMic is only the software.
Regards
Mike
I have LMS, OmniMic, DATS and SoundEasy.
For diy purposes, OmniMic is good enough. As for reliability, that has to do more with your pc. OmniMic is only the software.
Regards
Mike
Well, OmniMic comes with a calibrated microphone too. 🙂 If it breaks you have to buy a new kit I'm afraid.
ok , but with a good enough sound card is it better then cliopocket at minor cost ?
i would a measurement system better than cliopocket but with a lower cost
i would a measurement system better than cliopocket but with a lower cost
I am in possession of an old Clio measurement system and I can tell you I have never regreted the purchase of it. It works fast, especially impedance measurements are very easy accomplished without the need of an extra amplifier. I have gathered parts for a second pc computer in case my 20 year old machine decides to retire itself, just to keep it in working order. A sturdy piece of hardware, this Clio isa card.
Obviously, I don't have any experience with Clio pocket, much less Omnimic.
Obviously, I don't have any experience with Clio pocket, much less Omnimic.
you are lucky man!!!
i don't like clio :
- cliopocket seems chinese production : metal sound of internal box elettronic card, they don't isolate it, realy chep product
- pay for every software upgrade with high price
- old hardware is not supported, so you are constrained to buy the new system
- new system don't support previous file extension, so you must open the old files with the old software end new files with new!, this for loudspeaker production is very bad.
- it cost more than better systems, which give you free software update, and many other services
- bad customer care
- about my point of view is an overpriced system
- is for hobbyists which don't need the realiability for serious production
...and many other...
i think that at the same price there is better product
i don't like clio :
- cliopocket seems chinese production : metal sound of internal box elettronic card, they don't isolate it, realy chep product
- pay for every software upgrade with high price
- old hardware is not supported, so you are constrained to buy the new system
- new system don't support previous file extension, so you must open the old files with the old software end new files with new!, this for loudspeaker production is very bad.
- it cost more than better systems, which give you free software update, and many other services
- bad customer care
- about my point of view is an overpriced system
- is for hobbyists which don't need the realiability for serious production
...and many other...
i think that at the same price there is better product
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As usual, you're talking nonsense in large quantities. The one and only person that I am aware of owning a Clio Pocket system here is SY, and he is competent to talk about it. Ask him if you want the truth.
thank for compliments about my nonsense words.
if a person has a different idea from yours, you do not respect him, well !
however, personal insults please make them in private, you are a very aggressive person
I have my own idea and you have to respect it.
Finally, I have written several points, but you've just offended me, why not try to challenge the points one by one?
probably those who does not write don't make heavy use like me of the measuring system
if a person has a different idea from yours, you do not respect him, well !
however, personal insults please make them in private, you are a very aggressive person
I have my own idea and you have to respect it.
Finally, I have written several points, but you've just offended me, why not try to challenge the points one by one?
probably those who does not write don't make heavy use like me of the measuring system
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You pretend to be in doubt which system is better, then you uncover yourself by stating the above. Carry on!
why not try to challenge the points one by one?
please do not pollute my message, I repeat if you have something to say, do it in private, thank you
other people have contributed constructively, you do not.
please do not pollute my message, I repeat if you have something to say, do it in private, thank you
other people have contributed constructively, you do not.
I realize that I have hurt your feelings and I admit you were right about me being too harsh to you! I offer my apologies. Let me just stress out that my sole wish is to promote things that have the potential to lead to one's success in building a high quality piece of a loudspeaker. I have never done anything but extensive measurements of all kinds of drive units, various passive electronics in order to find the connection between their values, brand and the sound quality and I believe that I have found that connection.
In order to shed some light to my and other people's understanding of this new Clio Pocket product, I have found an article where Dr. Joseph D'Appolito was asked to do the testing of the said measurement system, and I suspect that there will be no major disagreement that this famous speaker designer is a person one can trust with no reservation.
http://www.audioxpress.com/assets/upload/files/AX_Oct2015AudiomaticClioPocketReview.pdf
A quote from summary of the linked material.
"CLIO Pocket—presented at the 2014 Audio Engineering Society (AES) show in Los Angeles, CA—is now a finished hardware product sold since March 2015. Audiomatica confirmed to me that the software (now at release 1.21) is going to be developed further and that all users receive free upgrades for all the life of the actual 1.xx major release. This review shows that it already provides all the measurement and analysis capabilities needed to design and analyze loudspeaker systems and electronic circuits. Considering the rich set of stimulus signals, the data acquisition modes, and the postprocessing functions, it is clear that much more capability will be added to the CLIO Pocket as the software develops."
In order to shed some light to my and other people's understanding of this new Clio Pocket product, I have found an article where Dr. Joseph D'Appolito was asked to do the testing of the said measurement system, and I suspect that there will be no major disagreement that this famous speaker designer is a person one can trust with no reservation.
http://www.audioxpress.com/assets/upload/files/AX_Oct2015AudiomaticClioPocketReview.pdf
A quote from summary of the linked material.
"CLIO Pocket—presented at the 2014 Audio Engineering Society (AES) show in Los Angeles, CA—is now a finished hardware product sold since March 2015. Audiomatica confirmed to me that the software (now at release 1.21) is going to be developed further and that all users receive free upgrades for all the life of the actual 1.xx major release. This review shows that it already provides all the measurement and analysis capabilities needed to design and analyze loudspeaker systems and electronic circuits. Considering the rich set of stimulus signals, the data acquisition modes, and the postprocessing functions, it is clear that much more capability will be added to the CLIO Pocket as the software develops."
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I have found the big Clio to be limited for my purposes and I'm less of a fan of its UI. I have not seen the Clio Pocket so I can't comment on that. However there are pros and cons in having the DAC and ADC inside the package. it really helps in making sure the software knows what is happening in levels everywhere. But the performance of the DAC and ADC limit what you can do with the unit.
Onmimike has similar constraints with its USB microphone and similar benefits.
Both seem to have good software. Omnimike does have limitations in that it doesn't generate the test tones.
However I'm not abandoning my Praxis system for either at this stage. I need the flexibility of an independent soundcard and the ability to source and receive from different interfaces. With integrated speaker electronics (and bluetooth) it will become an even more common issue.
They are both expensive enough to demand careful consideration before buying either. Do think through what you will be doing and how much you are willing to learn. A Behringer mike, ARTA and a decent USB soundcard may be enough to do what you want. Consistency and stability is more important than absolute accuracy. Calibration accuracy above 10 KHz is nice but will conflict most likely with what you want the speaker to sound like (speaking from lots of experience with different listeners). Absolute sensitivity accuracy is not an issue in the design and tuning phase, just consistency. For SPL get a radio Shack SLM. They are surprisingly accurate even after years of neglect.
Onmimike has similar constraints with its USB microphone and similar benefits.
Both seem to have good software. Omnimike does have limitations in that it doesn't generate the test tones.
However I'm not abandoning my Praxis system for either at this stage. I need the flexibility of an independent soundcard and the ability to source and receive from different interfaces. With integrated speaker electronics (and bluetooth) it will become an even more common issue.
They are both expensive enough to demand careful consideration before buying either. Do think through what you will be doing and how much you are willing to learn. A Behringer mike, ARTA and a decent USB soundcard may be enough to do what you want. Consistency and stability is more important than absolute accuracy. Calibration accuracy above 10 KHz is nice but will conflict most likely with what you want the speaker to sound like (speaking from lots of experience with different listeners). Absolute sensitivity accuracy is not an issue in the design and tuning phase, just consistency. For SPL get a radio Shack SLM. They are surprisingly accurate even after years of neglect.
thank you for you response demian,
the "big" clio is the full software statement of audiomatica, so if it has limitations (i'm agree), the pocket is simply a toy...non portatability from previous version, non distortion measurements...
about my point of you, at the same cost aorund there are better systems, my opinion.
due the limitations of clio systems, what could you suggest to have realibility, all necessary options...ecc...ecc...a complete and usefull system at resonable price ?
the "big" clio is the full software statement of audiomatica, so if it has limitations (i'm agree), the pocket is simply a toy...non portatability from previous version, non distortion measurements...
about my point of you, at the same cost aorund there are better systems, my opinion.
due the limitations of clio systems, what could you suggest to have realibility, all necessary options...ecc...ecc...a complete and usefull system at resonable price ?
...more:
my personal disappointment regarding the lack of distortion measurement in cliopocket, is derived from the consideration that dist measurements are present on systems that cost less than it: arta, omnimic and many others...
cliopocket to be serious measurement system, must have distortion measurements, otherwise it will remain a fun tool for hobbyists, but in this case they will prefer arta for example.
this is my point of view
read also this: http://www.audiomatica.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/Yaniger-AXPress-December2015.pdf
my personal disappointment regarding the lack of distortion measurement in cliopocket, is derived from the consideration that dist measurements are present on systems that cost less than it: arta, omnimic and many others...
cliopocket to be serious measurement system, must have distortion measurements, otherwise it will remain a fun tool for hobbyists, but in this case they will prefer arta for example.
this is my point of view
read also this: http://www.audiomatica.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/Yaniger-AXPress-December2015.pdf
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diypass,
All I can say is I found nothing lacking in OmniMic + DATS. The most difficult thing I encountered was getting some of the math functions to work, such as adding or subtracting one FR from another. I wish the UI was more intuitive, or had better feedback. The layout could be prettier, and it would be nicer if the output was direct. I get around this by ripping the test CD and using my network music player so I can sit in one place and run all the tests I need.
Despite the lack of distortion, CLIO pocket brings the ability to work without any external devices at all. I need to use a media player, preamp and amp in addition to OmniMic to measure the output.
Best,
Erik
All I can say is I found nothing lacking in OmniMic + DATS. The most difficult thing I encountered was getting some of the math functions to work, such as adding or subtracting one FR from another. I wish the UI was more intuitive, or had better feedback. The layout could be prettier, and it would be nicer if the output was direct. I get around this by ripping the test CD and using my network music player so I can sit in one place and run all the tests I need.
Despite the lack of distortion, CLIO pocket brings the ability to work without any external devices at all. I need to use a media player, preamp and amp in addition to OmniMic to measure the output.
Best,
Erik
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I should say, finally, while distortion is cool, it's also rare I care. Don't get me wrong, if you need it you need it, but as a hobbyist I used it more for myself to learn than as a real must-have tool. It was great to share those numbers for the ScanSpeak and AMT drivers I was testing with others, but if I didn't have it I would have been fine. It's not like I was going to return those drivers and get others. 🙂
Erik
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