Continuing in my search for high quality link signal transfer, I have developed the current loop transmitter module. It is a voltage controlled current source, operating in pure SE class A. The signal current is 12mA +/-6mA, 2mA/V. Cable terminated by resistor 50 Ohm - 200 Ohm. AC coupled input of following amplifier is needed. The sonic results are more than promising, compared to any previous principles.
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Intrigueing, Pavel,
Can you tell us more, such as Zin, Zout, FR, the sort of amp it requires, and how it sounds?
Cheers,
Hugh
Can you tell us more, such as Zin, Zout, FR, the sort of amp it requires, and how it sounds?
Cheers,
Hugh
current coupled audio
I have used current coupling for instrumentation and wondered about its use for audio interconnects.
On my home system I need to clean my contacts fairly regularly for best results. I've wondered if the ability of current loop feed to ignore effecitve series resistance (within limits) would impact this problem.
This brings up a second perhaps more interesting question: To wit, no one quite understands the whole issue of why cables sound different. Normally cables are driven by voltage sources. If you drive an interconnect cable between two audio devices with a current source does this change the relationship between exotic expensive cables and sound quality?
I have used current coupling for instrumentation and wondered about its use for audio interconnects.
On my home system I need to clean my contacts fairly regularly for best results. I've wondered if the ability of current loop feed to ignore effecitve series resistance (within limits) would impact this problem.
This brings up a second perhaps more interesting question: To wit, no one quite understands the whole issue of why cables sound different. Normally cables are driven by voltage sources. If you drive an interconnect cable between two audio devices with a current source does this change the relationship between exotic expensive cables and sound quality?
Hi PMA,
Always wondered what a 4~20mA current loop would sound like. As far as a transmission medium, it works very well for telephones. I am not trying to be funny either. Having a bias will overcome dissimilar metal contacts as well.
I did work in an insturmentation cal lab, and now in telecom. Do you think we can use BIX strips as connectors? Just punch the cable down and you have a gas tight seal.
-Chris
Always wondered what a 4~20mA current loop would sound like. As far as a transmission medium, it works very well for telephones. I am not trying to be funny either. Having a bias will overcome dissimilar metal contacts as well.
I did work in an insturmentation cal lab, and now in telecom. Do you think we can use BIX strips as connectors? Just punch the cable down and you have a gas tight seal.
-Chris
AKSA said:
Hugh,
I do not think that these parameters are of special importance. OK, Zin = 15 kOhm, Zout = very very high, BW = several Hz - 200kHz. BW has been limited from original MHz range. The step response is purely (1 - exp(-t/T)), as for simple passive RC. Zload = 50 Ohm (at the input of following amplifier).
I have made a listening black-box test with 3 listeners (individually written impressions), they have all prefered current loop with basically same description - more clear midrange and highs, better resolution, more natural, non-artificial sound.
Cheers, Pavel
I have an old article about this in a Swedish hifimagazine somewhere.
They compared 210 feet of "worst kind of cheap" audiocable driven with a currentloop and 3 feet normal highend cable driven with a low Z-out and high Z-in on the amp. Could not hear any differences that would make the expesive kind of cable worth it in that comparison. The 210 feet of bad cable sounded VERY dull and lifeless and harsch driven with a low Z-out and high Z-in.
I belive wery strongly that the usual approach is a very bad way of using cables.
They compared 210 feet of "worst kind of cheap" audiocable driven with a currentloop and 3 feet normal highend cable driven with a low Z-out and high Z-in on the amp. Could not hear any differences that would make the expesive kind of cable worth it in that comparison. The 210 feet of bad cable sounded VERY dull and lifeless and harsch driven with a low Z-out and high Z-in.
I belive wery strongly that the usual approach is a very bad way of using cables.
Hi, PMA,
I'm very interested in this. I experimented with non-feedback V-I converter, which the voltage gain is R-value dependant only, it sounds good 😀
Are you going to post the schematic?
I'm very interested in this. I experimented with non-feedback V-I converter, which the voltage gain is R-value dependant only, it sounds good 😀
Are you going to post the schematic?
With current-driven connections vs. voltage-driven ones all you accomplish is to exchange series and parallel R, C, and L. They still matter, just in a different configuration. It all depends on the cable configuration as to what will sound best. Certainly some combinations will beat others with current, but just as certainly others will work better with voltage.
As always, ya pays your money and ya makes your choice.
Grey
As always, ya pays your money and ya makes your choice.
Grey
Hi, Grey,
I'm not making a line driver here. I'm applying this for a preamp, with no "long" cable. It is in openloop mode, no feedback, and how many voltage gain I wanted depends only the 1 final resistor value. The bigger resistor I put in the final, the bigger voltage gain I get in openloop mode.
I'm not making a line driver here. I'm applying this for a preamp, with no "long" cable. It is in openloop mode, no feedback, and how many voltage gain I wanted depends only the 1 final resistor value. The bigger resistor I put in the final, the bigger voltage gain I get in openloop mode.
GRollins said:
Yes, from the first point of view. My objective result is that I have completely cancelled all of the RF and HF D/A residual stuff, that has been present with voltage drive.
Voltage in, current out, no feedback. I just realize NP is (has) doing this as power amplifier in F2 amps, while I just think of it as preamp 😀
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