Hi!
I going to upgrade my CS4328 project. When I was ready with the DAC the chip got "obsolete"! How fun is that?
Now my choices are CS43122 from Cirrus/Crystal or AK4395 from AKM. Does anyone out there have experience of these chips?
The Ak4395 has better damping 110 dB but 2 dB "worse" S/N. AK4395 is also impossible to solder for most DIY's. CS43122 is a standard SO package with 0.05 pitch, rather easy to solder. The AK-chip has 0.63 mm between the pins.... Did I mention that AKM cost half the price of Crystal?
Can anyone explain to me why AKM has NE5532/34 in their EV-board? Doesn't make sense!
http://www.asahi-kasei.co.jp/akm/en/product/ak4395/ek4395.pdf
http://www.asahi-kasei.co.jp/akm/en/product/ak4395/ekd4395.pdf
http://www.cirrus.com/design/products/overview/detail.cfm?d=147
I going to upgrade my CS4328 project. When I was ready with the DAC the chip got "obsolete"! How fun is that?
Now my choices are CS43122 from Cirrus/Crystal or AK4395 from AKM. Does anyone out there have experience of these chips?
The Ak4395 has better damping 110 dB but 2 dB "worse" S/N. AK4395 is also impossible to solder for most DIY's. CS43122 is a standard SO package with 0.05 pitch, rather easy to solder. The AK-chip has 0.63 mm between the pins.... Did I mention that AKM cost half the price of Crystal?
Can anyone explain to me why AKM has NE5532/34 in their EV-board? Doesn't make sense!
http://www.asahi-kasei.co.jp/akm/en/product/ak4395/ek4395.pdf
http://www.asahi-kasei.co.jp/akm/en/product/ak4395/ekd4395.pdf
http://www.cirrus.com/design/products/overview/detail.cfm?d=147
Hello Per-Anders,
Why not try Wolfson WM8740 (www.wolfsonmicro.com). The specs are in the same level as the chips you mentioned, and very important, the people at Wolfson are very easy to deal with. I have some samples if you are interested.
Regards
Why not try Wolfson WM8740 (www.wolfsonmicro.com). The specs are in the same level as the chips you mentioned, and very important, the people at Wolfson are very easy to deal with. I have some samples if you are interested.
Regards
peranders,
Were you unable to get your hands on the CS4328?
Even if considered 'obsolete', it will sound way better than newer 1-bit DAC's (especially the newer crystal stuff).
For CD playback, the older 1-bit DACs and the Burr Brown multibits are pretty much the only way to go. I think Analog Devices has(had?) some good multibits, too.
Charlie
Were you unable to get your hands on the CS4328?
Even if considered 'obsolete', it will sound way better than newer 1-bit DAC's (especially the newer crystal stuff).
For CD playback, the older 1-bit DACs and the Burr Brown multibits are pretty much the only way to go. I think Analog Devices has(had?) some good multibits, too.
Charlie
I have CS4328 for my personal use but it's useless to have a DIY project with those chips...
It's possible the buy CS4328 still but you have to order >100 000 units at least!
It's possible the buy CS4328 still but you have to order >100 000 units at least!
AD DACs
The AD1862 is good. A bit easier to work with than the B-B multibit units. Pricey, and somewhat static senstive.
Jocko
The AD1862 is good. A bit easier to work with than the B-B multibit units. Pricey, and somewhat static senstive.
Jocko
If you are looking for 24/192, maybe try the AD1853? I've heard pretty good things about it. I think it will sound a good deal better than the Crystal or AK units.
One caution is it is a SSOP with 0.65 mm pitch.
A comparable chip might be the Burr-Brown PCM1738, though I've never heard one. The design is very close to the AD1853.
Charlie
One caution is it is a SSOP with 0.65 mm pitch.
A comparable chip might be the Burr-Brown PCM1738, though I've never heard one. The design is very close to the AD1853.
Charlie
Guys, I don't mind discussing other DAC chips but my original question was about CS43122 from Crystal/Cirrus and AK4395 from AKM.
Does anyone out there have experience of just these particular chips?
Does anyone out there have experience of just these particular chips?
I have heard a couple of the newer crystal chips, and I'm pretty sure the 43122 was one of them, although it wasn't with 24/192 material. None of these chips are that great. The AKM shares the same switched-capacitor filtering that the CS chips have, and I would guess that is what is really limiting the performance of these new chips.
I'm not saying they'll sound BAD, though. They're limited in what you can get out of them. It's like having that NE5532 INSIDE the chip. You can still make it sound good, but you can never get rid of that thing.
Other than that, I would say that comparing specs like THD & S/N and such at these levels is pretty meaningless. You just have to listen to them.
If *I* had to choose, I'd go with the crystal, because I haven't heard the AKM, and while the crystal won't blow my socks off or anything, the devil you know is better than the devil you don't.
Charlie
I'm not saying they'll sound BAD, though. They're limited in what you can get out of them. It's like having that NE5532 INSIDE the chip. You can still make it sound good, but you can never get rid of that thing.
Other than that, I would say that comparing specs like THD & S/N and such at these levels is pretty meaningless. You just have to listen to them.
If *I* had to choose, I'd go with the crystal, because I haven't heard the AKM, and while the crystal won't blow my socks off or anything, the devil you know is better than the devil you don't.
Charlie
AK4395VF
Hi
AK4395VF is inside of
T1i Metronome technologie CD player
and cost is about 6500 Euro
Sound is Very, Very nice
Hi
AK4395VF is inside of
T1i Metronome technologie CD player
and cost is about 6500 Euro
Sound is Very, Very nice
Have that AK4395 DAC on my 0404 (heavy modified) and I must say that it sound far better than my nonOS TDA1541 (with AD797 I/V and sophisticated PSU) at least on my K271´s ... and headphones are the only reliable solution when comparing D/A´s
But then I´ve never heared the Cirrus chip...
But there´s the AK4396 already... should be better !?! although the digital filter inside isn´t as good as the 95 one...
But then I´ve never heared the Cirrus chip...
But there´s the AK4396 already... should be better !?! although the digital filter inside isn´t as good as the 95 one...
I'm also suspicious of sw-C cmos op amps/filters in monolithic V output DACs but Lynx uses the CS4396 to achieve fantastic specs
Pardon me, but is someone suggesting that the old Crystal CS4328 does not use an integrated switched-capacitor filter with CMOS opamps ? Forgive me if I'm reading some comments wrong ...
For headphone use I find SigmaDelta D/A´s to be the better source... For some time I was also a bit biased, thinking that old multibit D/A are far better but - no, that´s definitely not true with newer D/A´s... with some electronic skills you can mod a EMU0404 to an very excellent sound source, not kidding. Seperate supplies are important though with that babies.
cheers ;-)
cheers ;-)
weissi said:
Very , very interesting .
I had good results with SigmaDelta (balanced) DAC to headphones too.
🙂
AKM !
I have used the AK4395 in this "project", (changed from AK4393)
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=251016#post251016
I think the AKM dac sounds very good.
I'm planning to use ths discrete op-amps from "mox" as output...when time allows me...
Arne K
I have used the AK4395 in this "project", (changed from AK4393)
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=251016#post251016
I think the AKM dac sounds very good.
I'm planning to use ths discrete op-amps from "mox" as output...when time allows me...
Arne K
what I miss when hearing the TDA1541 is accuracy, probably due to the use of SPDIF (and CS8412...) so lower jitter at AK4395.
No wouldn´t use another I/V conversion method- why...who knows... there are a lot of people who are able to tell the difference between OPA2134 vs OPA2604 when using a GC as amplifier... - first time I heared a difference was when I used High Speed opamps in D/A applications.
But that´s like comparing Sennheisers to AKG - propably...
No wouldn´t use another I/V conversion method- why...who knows... there are a lot of people who are able to tell the difference between OPA2134 vs OPA2604 when using a GC as amplifier... - first time I heared a difference was when I used High Speed opamps in D/A applications.
But that´s like comparing Sennheisers to AKG - propably...
peranders said:
P-A,
Delta-Sigma dacs with integrated I/V and filtering always look like cheap nasty things to me.
They have CMOS op-amps inside, and you are worried about NE5532/4 op-amps on the outputs?
The already suggested PCM1798 may be a good choice, and the AD1955 too.
Or the AD1862. 😀
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