sometimes my 3.16Ghz core 2 duo shows frequencies of over 4.2Ghz for a split second and it gets recorded as the highest frequency in open hardware monitor
other programs confirm this behavior as well.
Whenever that happens I get a very short spike/stutter in audio and input and programs hiccup for that one short instance.
even with clock states and all the kinds of intel clock idle stuff disabled it still randomly spikes up like that.
the CPU usage never changes. stays at whatever its at.
I just changed the thermal paste on it (it was really spread out thin. so i added a pea size drop rather than the crummy 2-rice grain sized drop i had before.
now its for sure covered good
but that hasn't changed the behavior.
on idle my CPU hovers around 34-36C on both cores
at 100% usage for a few minutes with prime95 its at 71*C on one core. and 67*C on the other (fan is not at full speed and not very loud at all.)
is that just a mistake in the CPU frequency reading or does it really go that high occasionally for a split second??
other programs confirm this behavior as well.
Whenever that happens I get a very short spike/stutter in audio and input and programs hiccup for that one short instance.
even with clock states and all the kinds of intel clock idle stuff disabled it still randomly spikes up like that.
the CPU usage never changes. stays at whatever its at.
I just changed the thermal paste on it (it was really spread out thin. so i added a pea size drop rather than the crummy 2-rice grain sized drop i had before.
now its for sure covered good
but that hasn't changed the behavior.
on idle my CPU hovers around 34-36C on both cores
at 100% usage for a few minutes with prime95 its at 71*C on one core. and 67*C on the other (fan is not at full speed and not very loud at all.)
is that just a mistake in the CPU frequency reading or does it really go that high occasionally for a split second??
Re thermal paste, it's not a case of the more the merrier, it's only purpose is to get rid of air gaps, you want as little as possible for good heat transfer
I had less on before barely any. it just BARELY reached to the edges of the CPU not going over the edges but reaching them.
its the same temperature as before though. so no temperature change.
I dont know whats causing it.
it seems to happen when all the various CPU frequency states are enabled and let the CPU control its clock states by itself.
i've seen it go as high as 4268 Mhz!!!
its the same temperature as before though. so no temperature change.
I dont know whats causing it.
it seems to happen when all the various CPU frequency states are enabled and let the CPU control its clock states by itself.
i've seen it go as high as 4268 Mhz!!!
The mating surfaces need to be coated evenly but you want minimum thickness. I don't know how hot they are designed to run
Well temperature flucuations shouldn't make the CPU frequency go to like a bagazillion GHZ for a split second.
I dont understand how its randomly spiking up so high..
it doesnt go that high under load.
only when somewhat idle or idle with C states enabled and stuff
I dont understand how its randomly spiking up so high..
it doesnt go that high under load.
only when somewhat idle or idle with C states enabled and stuff
I never get any replies when i type on a computer forum of any kind.
Or it takes like weeks and i have to bump the thread several times lol.
it seems this is the most active forum i can find on the far reaches of the internet.
Or it takes like weeks and i have to bump the thread several times lol.
it seems this is the most active forum i can find on the far reaches of the internet.
I can believe that, computer nerds aren't renowned for their communication skills, ironically. This is the only forum I have any dealings with
so any ideas what could be causing the frequency spikes to like 4.2Ghz?
Ive tried overclocking before but cant even get past 3.2Ghz before it locks up instantly on this CPU.
so Idk how its able to sustain itself even for millisecond at 4.2Ghz without locking up.
otherwise it'd be locking up pretty much all the time.
and it's never locked up on its own before.
Ive tried overclocking before but cant even get past 3.2Ghz before it locks up instantly on this CPU.
so Idk how its able to sustain itself even for millisecond at 4.2Ghz without locking up.
otherwise it'd be locking up pretty much all the time.
and it's never locked up on its own before.
What motherboard are you using? ...sounds like some on the fly overclocking boost mode thingy is enabled. Personally i disable all that wizardry and work out the highest stable clock speed, then manually overclock.
Nope its a stock dell optiplex 360 motherboard (intel LGA 775)
CPU doesnt feature any sort of boost automatic overclock mechanism.
as i said it doesnt go that high when under load.
only goes to 3.16Ghz and stays at that under 100% load. never spikes in frequency up high when under load.
it only does that weird high frequency spike when near idle.
CPU doesnt feature any sort of boost automatic overclock mechanism.
as i said it doesnt go that high when under load.
only goes to 3.16Ghz and stays at that under 100% load. never spikes in frequency up high when under load.
it only does that weird high frequency spike when near idle.
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That confirms my suspicion, the problem is just a glitch of your monitoring software reading the data. If it were a built machine with a board from Asus, Gigabyte, etc i would be concerned, and doubling checking the readings with the supplied software from that vendor. For a DELL machine, it doesn't surprise me at all as OEM manufacturers use highly customized firmware to suit their own needs.
Well it happened with my other CPU that I had in it.
I bought this one for 14$ on amazon free shipping no tax.
pretty good deal if you ask me for a low end computer on a budget for mild casual gaming.
my graphics clocks are completely invalid and not correct in hardware monitor.
so ignore any of the graphics info.
it has no actual fan header to plug a fan into. so i dont know why it shows a fan speed.
Perhaps theres a spot to solder a header onto the board.
but I dont see any circuitry down the line to support them. no transistors or diodes. i see empty PCB pads for surface mount components.
The problem is all my other software have similar readings to hardware monitor.
The bios doesnt have a min/max though. and no overclocking options (what do you expect for a non-gaming motherboard and bios for home/office type work lol)
i souped it up as cheaply and best as i could with a GT 710 2GB overclocked to the max and my new CPU core 2 duo 3.16Ghz dual core and 4GB ram put windows 10 on it (so that youtube would play properly to be honest)
its got 160GB + 250GB internal storage i added the 250GB drive on. with a cheap hard drive power splitter.
bought a external USB 3.1 to SATA adapter (using with USB 2.0 at the moment. still getting 64MB/s read speeds and 60MB/s write with 30MB/s copying files onto itself)
which I modded and soldered a 12v barrel connector to. and ive got a 2A 12v power supply with a round connector plug to plug into it which holds steady at 12v on startup and running. (Also added a 1,000uF 16v capacitor just to keep the power clean) just soldered 3 pins together on the outer edge. then 3 more next to it. and combined them with two wires. positive and negative. easy no problem and i did this so I can use full sized 3.5" hard drives and DVD rom drives and such.
I did manually tack on some fans onto the GPU (two fans one 40mm and the other 45 or 50mm) with some superglue. and plugged them into a 5v line coming from my PSU (no control but 5v is plenty to keep my GPU below 50*C even when my room is searing hot like a sauna.
at idle my GPU is like 20-30*C right now its at 28*C while at 32% usage at idle clocks with 24% video engine load watching a 720p 60FPS youtube video in another tab.
I increased the voltage to the highest it can go before the GPU would run into voltage limiter. still no temp increase.
its at 1200mhz memory and 1454mhz core
stock 954mhz core and 800mhz memory
my CPU that im using atm is a poor overclocker and cant manage anymore than 100mhz higher than stock (probably not enough voltage and its already at its limit stock)
I bought this one for 14$ on amazon free shipping no tax.
pretty good deal if you ask me for a low end computer on a budget for mild casual gaming.
my graphics clocks are completely invalid and not correct in hardware monitor.
so ignore any of the graphics info.
it has no actual fan header to plug a fan into. so i dont know why it shows a fan speed.
Perhaps theres a spot to solder a header onto the board.
but I dont see any circuitry down the line to support them. no transistors or diodes. i see empty PCB pads for surface mount components.
The problem is all my other software have similar readings to hardware monitor.
The bios doesnt have a min/max though. and no overclocking options (what do you expect for a non-gaming motherboard and bios for home/office type work lol)
i souped it up as cheaply and best as i could with a GT 710 2GB overclocked to the max and my new CPU core 2 duo 3.16Ghz dual core and 4GB ram put windows 10 on it (so that youtube would play properly to be honest)
its got 160GB + 250GB internal storage i added the 250GB drive on. with a cheap hard drive power splitter.
bought a external USB 3.1 to SATA adapter (using with USB 2.0 at the moment. still getting 64MB/s read speeds and 60MB/s write with 30MB/s copying files onto itself)
which I modded and soldered a 12v barrel connector to. and ive got a 2A 12v power supply with a round connector plug to plug into it which holds steady at 12v on startup and running. (Also added a 1,000uF 16v capacitor just to keep the power clean) just soldered 3 pins together on the outer edge. then 3 more next to it. and combined them with two wires. positive and negative. easy no problem and i did this so I can use full sized 3.5" hard drives and DVD rom drives and such.
I did manually tack on some fans onto the GPU (two fans one 40mm and the other 45 or 50mm) with some superglue. and plugged them into a 5v line coming from my PSU (no control but 5v is plenty to keep my GPU below 50*C even when my room is searing hot like a sauna.
at idle my GPU is like 20-30*C right now its at 28*C while at 32% usage at idle clocks with 24% video engine load watching a 720p 60FPS youtube video in another tab.
I increased the voltage to the highest it can go before the GPU would run into voltage limiter. still no temp increase.
its at 1200mhz memory and 1454mhz core
stock 954mhz core and 800mhz memory
my CPU that im using atm is a poor overclocker and cant manage anymore than 100mhz higher than stock (probably not enough voltage and its already at its limit stock)
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thats one of the programs i was using actually.
as well as realtemp and some others too.
all show pretty similar readings with the occasional split second high frequency spike (CPU-z doesnt show it quite as often so its harder to catch but i have seen it show 4.2Ghz for a split second once or twice)
the HT and FSB bus speed also jumps too in CPU-Z
as well as realtemp and some others too.
all show pretty similar readings with the occasional split second high frequency spike (CPU-z doesnt show it quite as often so its harder to catch but i have seen it show 4.2Ghz for a split second once or twice)
the HT and FSB bus speed also jumps too in CPU-Z
Have you checked your bios settings ?
I have my Skylake overclocked to 4.5GHz which is a clock multiplier of 45.
You can set max multiplier in the bios.
I have my Skylake overclocked to 4.5GHz which is a clock multiplier of 45.
You can set max multiplier in the bios.
Nope dell optiplex has ABSOLUTELY NO OVERCLOCKING SETTINGS OF ANY KIND
i repeat. its locked down to stock and theres no way to override it
check the dell website the latest bios file is several years old and has no overclocking support.
You can't change the clock speed on a office/school level computer.
i'm lucky the CPU is even upgradeable because a lot of these super low end motherboards have the CPU soldered directly on with balls of solder underneath with surface mount style and no way to upgrade or replace it.
I cant overclock anything in the bios. just change hard drive boot order and other simple dumb stuff like that. like giving the bootup a password.
i repeat. its locked down to stock and theres no way to override it
check the dell website the latest bios file is several years old and has no overclocking support.
You can't change the clock speed on a office/school level computer.
i'm lucky the CPU is even upgradeable because a lot of these super low end motherboards have the CPU soldered directly on with balls of solder underneath with surface mount style and no way to upgrade or replace it.
I cant overclock anything in the bios. just change hard drive boot order and other simple dumb stuff like that. like giving the bootup a password.
> 3.16Ghz core 2 duo
puff-info web page
Intel® Turbo Boost Technology
Intel® Turbo Boost Technology dynamically increases the processor's frequency as needed by taking advantage of thermal and power headroom to give you a burst of speed when you need it, and increased energy efficiency when you don’t.
Enhanced Intel SpeedStep® Technology
Enhanced Intel SpeedStep® Technology is an advanced means of enabling high performance while meeting the power-conservation needs of mobile systems. Conventional Intel SpeedStep® Technology switches both voltage and frequency in tandem between high and low levels in response to processor load. Enhanced Intel SpeedStep® Technology builds upon that architecture using design strategies such as Separation between Voltage and Frequency Changes, and Clock Partitioning and Recovery.
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You got the speed you paid for (at least). You may have bursts of "more", or it may be that thin Intel documentation and lame Dell implementation are bewildering your monitoring softwares.
> its at 71*C
" TCASE 72.4°C "
Seems hot to me.
> it's never locked up on its own before.
Is it locking-up now? Or just hiccup ?
hiccup is very often network, storage, virus checkers (or virus) hogging CPU cycles. Not sure how to classify Windows Update.
I was at the eye-surgeon. Doc offices are littered with Dells. They work good in that world: the staff has more mental "hiccup" than the Dells do. For personal use, I prefer either the very high-end Dells or most of the OEM mother boards.
> youtube would play properly
I've had decent YouTube performance on a sub-GHz Atom CPU. A 3GHz duo should loaf. Something else is wrong.
My old PC failed and in a panic I spent $600 for an on-the-shelf locally made clone. It works really well. I come to find out the mobo sells for $60 and the CPU for $65. When I added it all up with drives and Win-license, it was not over-priced; but in a non-panic with license in hand you can do better than I did.
puff-info web page
Intel® Turbo Boost Technology
Intel® Turbo Boost Technology dynamically increases the processor's frequency as needed by taking advantage of thermal and power headroom to give you a burst of speed when you need it, and increased energy efficiency when you don’t.
Enhanced Intel SpeedStep® Technology
Enhanced Intel SpeedStep® Technology is an advanced means of enabling high performance while meeting the power-conservation needs of mobile systems. Conventional Intel SpeedStep® Technology switches both voltage and frequency in tandem between high and low levels in response to processor load. Enhanced Intel SpeedStep® Technology builds upon that architecture using design strategies such as Separation between Voltage and Frequency Changes, and Clock Partitioning and Recovery.
____________________________
You got the speed you paid for (at least). You may have bursts of "more", or it may be that thin Intel documentation and lame Dell implementation are bewildering your monitoring softwares.
> its at 71*C
" TCASE 72.4°C "
Seems hot to me.
> it's never locked up on its own before.
Is it locking-up now? Or just hiccup ?
hiccup is very often network, storage, virus checkers (or virus) hogging CPU cycles. Not sure how to classify Windows Update.
I was at the eye-surgeon. Doc offices are littered with Dells. They work good in that world: the staff has more mental "hiccup" than the Dells do. For personal use, I prefer either the very high-end Dells or most of the OEM mother boards.
> youtube would play properly
I've had decent YouTube performance on a sub-GHz Atom CPU. A 3GHz duo should loaf. Something else is wrong.
My old PC failed and in a panic I spent $600 for an on-the-shelf locally made clone. It works really well. I come to find out the mobo sells for $60 and the CPU for $65. When I added it all up with drives and Win-license, it was not over-priced; but in a non-panic with license in hand you can do better than I did.
Nope no locking up.
Checked with windows defender my entire computer all hard drives full scan nothing detected
as well as anti-malware bytes full complete scan found nothing but tracking cookies (not really a virus to honest.)
I've disconnected from the internet. turned off windows updates. ran in safe mode and clean startup
No change it still randomly spikes like that but ONLY if C states and speed step are enabled.
if they are both disabled its locked at 3.16-3.2Ghz no matter how loaded or how idle it is.
but it only does these spikes when its unloaded or around idle.
my GPU is the problem of youtube not playing properly.
it only plays properly on windows 10 for some reason. so i had to upgrade to windows 10
whenever aero was enabled on windows 7 it would cause annoying audio stuttering when the taskbar is showing and playing audio.
if i had aero disabled. same thing UNLESS i had the start MENU open. with the start menu open it stops stuttering audio.
CPU usage doesnt change when its stuttering.
but my GPU usage skyrockets to high usage not quite 100% but around 50 to 90%
and when it was in windows 2000 theme. no stuttering audio when taskbar showing or hidden. most audio stuttering was cured
unless I selected my desktop highlighting and moving the selection all around selecting a big area. (doesnt matter how many icons are on my desktop)
this selection thing still causes audio stutter on windows 10. but none of the other things cause the audio stutter
When using integrated graphics intel GMA G33/G31
no audio stuttering on any operating system no matter what im doing.
also it seems to cause certain DX9 unity-unreal engine games to have audio stutter unless i play in DX11 mode
I get 4 times performance boost in DX11 mode as well. Only specific games do this.
Doesnt matter if the GPU is locked to idle clocks the whole time.
or overclocked to immense levels.
or just left at stock speed.
audio stutter regardless of actual GPU speed.
netflix has really bad de-syncing video/audio problems but that might just be chrome browser being dumb.
netflix on the app store and internet explorer have no issues with desyncing
I can only watch netflix on chrome if i use the ctrl+shift+s command and force a lower quality right after refreshing and pausing the page.
on windows 10 I can view 1080p60FPS video no stuttering.
at 4K 30FPS also smooth.
but 4K 60FPS plays in software mode with only hardware accelerated rendering.. Software CPU decoding.. Really annoying there is no 4K 60FPS hardware decoding AND hardware rendering. so its really laggy and stuttery
Checked with windows defender my entire computer all hard drives full scan nothing detected
as well as anti-malware bytes full complete scan found nothing but tracking cookies (not really a virus to honest.)
I've disconnected from the internet. turned off windows updates. ran in safe mode and clean startup
No change it still randomly spikes like that but ONLY if C states and speed step are enabled.
if they are both disabled its locked at 3.16-3.2Ghz no matter how loaded or how idle it is.
but it only does these spikes when its unloaded or around idle.
my GPU is the problem of youtube not playing properly.
it only plays properly on windows 10 for some reason. so i had to upgrade to windows 10
whenever aero was enabled on windows 7 it would cause annoying audio stuttering when the taskbar is showing and playing audio.
if i had aero disabled. same thing UNLESS i had the start MENU open. with the start menu open it stops stuttering audio.
CPU usage doesnt change when its stuttering.
but my GPU usage skyrockets to high usage not quite 100% but around 50 to 90%
and when it was in windows 2000 theme. no stuttering audio when taskbar showing or hidden. most audio stuttering was cured
unless I selected my desktop highlighting and moving the selection all around selecting a big area. (doesnt matter how many icons are on my desktop)
this selection thing still causes audio stutter on windows 10. but none of the other things cause the audio stutter
When using integrated graphics intel GMA G33/G31
no audio stuttering on any operating system no matter what im doing.
also it seems to cause certain DX9 unity-unreal engine games to have audio stutter unless i play in DX11 mode
I get 4 times performance boost in DX11 mode as well. Only specific games do this.
Doesnt matter if the GPU is locked to idle clocks the whole time.
or overclocked to immense levels.
or just left at stock speed.
audio stutter regardless of actual GPU speed.
netflix has really bad de-syncing video/audio problems but that might just be chrome browser being dumb.
netflix on the app store and internet explorer have no issues with desyncing
I can only watch netflix on chrome if i use the ctrl+shift+s command and force a lower quality right after refreshing and pausing the page.
on windows 10 I can view 1080p60FPS video no stuttering.
at 4K 30FPS also smooth.
but 4K 60FPS plays in software mode with only hardware accelerated rendering.. Software CPU decoding.. Really annoying there is no 4K 60FPS hardware decoding AND hardware rendering. so its really laggy and stuttery
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