john curl said:For example, I spoke for about an hour with Geoff Kait, the guy who sells rocks in a jar, to improve some audio systems. Geoff happens to be a physicist who could teach the vast majority of you, a thing or two about audio, but he doesn't want to bother.
Yeah, we've seen that excuse before.
What is it with these so-called physicists who sell stuff to audiophiles who never seem to want to explain anything? I mean, that's ultimately what physicists do is explain things. Why is it that once they start selling to audiophiles, they suddenly get out of the explaining business?
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Steve Eddy said:
Yeah, we've seen that excuse before.
What is it with these so-called physicists who sell stuff to audiophiles who never seem to want to explain anything? I mean, that's ultimately what physicists do is explain things. Why is it that once they start selling to audiophiles, they suddenly get out of the explaining business?
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Why is it that once they start selling to audiophiles, they suddenly get out of the explaining business?
They have seen the "L$ght". It is just impossible to explain that.
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thylantyr said:I would have a hard time accepting
audio lecture from someone who
markets sonic rocks.
I'd rather take lessons from
David Blaine, at least he would
admit the magic is all an illusion.
You'd do even better to take lessons from The Amazing Randi. You'll see some spooky similarities between the charlatans he exposes and the audio frauds like the guy with the magic ceramics, the guy with the magic goop, and the guy with the jar full of rocks.
An excellent topolgy can sound mediocre, a mediocre topology can sound excellent and of course, how it should be: vice versa!
Therefore, I strongly believe: The sonic quality of any product/design depends on how seamless every single aspect (topology, components, power supply, casing etc.) has been integrated and adjusted.
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Therefore, I strongly believe: The sonic quality of any product/design depends on how seamless every single aspect (topology, components, power supply, casing etc.) has been integrated and adjusted.
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Well folks, you have shown why we don't talk about 'rocks in a jar' around here. That's OK with me.
Well, if one can sell "pet rocks" why not "audiophile rocks"?
Is the target market for "rocks in a jar" folks with rocks in the head?

Is the target market for "rocks in a jar" folks with rocks in the head?

You people are ignorant on this subject. These are minerals that have special properties, just like many specific minerals have in many applications. For example, MICA is a mineral, it is also a 'rock'. We make caps with mica, but not necessarily with any rocks that lie around.
Steve's minerals are put in a container of some kind to contain them. Maybe a sandwitch bag would do, but a jar might be more stable and even more attractive.
I know a number of inventive people, who often have strong backgrounds in mathematics or physics. Engineers seem to be too biased to reach out for anything that might work in a particular situation. They usually need the support of a textbook explanation, to use anything new.
This is probably why we often say that engineers are 'trained' and physicists are 'educated'.
Steve's minerals are put in a container of some kind to contain them. Maybe a sandwitch bag would do, but a jar might be more stable and even more attractive.
I know a number of inventive people, who often have strong backgrounds in mathematics or physics. Engineers seem to be too biased to reach out for anything that might work in a particular situation. They usually need the support of a textbook explanation, to use anything new.
This is probably why we often say that engineers are 'trained' and physicists are 'educated'.
This is contrary to my experience with competent (in some cases great) physicists, mathematicians, and engineers.
I'm not familiar with the details of the jar-of-rocks, but it sure has the aroma of hooey.
I'm not familiar with the details of the jar-of-rocks, but it sure has the aroma of hooey.
john curl said:You people are ignorant on this subject.
Gee, John, you say that Geoff doesn't want to explain anything about the subject and then you tell people they're ignorant on the subject. Rather a Catch-22 there isn't it? Or do you just like calling people ignorant?
These are minerals that have special properties, just like many specific minerals have in many applications. For example, MICA is a mineral, it is also a 'rock'. We make caps with mica, but not necessarily with any rocks that lie around.
So? Peter Belt sells foils and creams and pens which have "special properties" too. Hell, a booger has special properties. So what? Anyone can invoke the phrase "special properties."
Steve's minerals are put in a container of some kind to contain them. Maybe a sandwitch bag would do, but a jar might be more stable and even more attractive.
Steve's? I thought they were Geoff's?
I know a number of inventive people, who often have strong backgrounds in mathematics or physics. Engineers seem to be too biased to reach out for anything that might work in a particular situation. They usually need the support of a textbook explanation, to use anything new.
This is probably why we often say that engineers are 'trained' and physicists are 'educated'.
And physicists just swallow anything that's fed to them without question? And we're supposed to swallow anything without question just because someone claims to be a physicist?
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Hell, a booger has special properties.
You've given me an idea for a cone treatment.
And we're supposed to swallow anything without question just because someone claims to be a physicist?
Oh, man, that would be sweet if it were true.
SY said:I'm not familiar with the details of the jar-of-rocks, but it sure has the aroma of hooey.
Well it seems that Geoff likes to explain things after all. Here's the "white paper" on the "Brilliant Pebbles."
Brilliant Pebbles - Theory of Operation
Enjoy. 🙂
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SY said:You've given me an idea for a cone treatment.
And John's given me an idea for a bumper sticker slogan:
ENGINEERS SUCK! PHYSICISTS SWALLOW! 😀
Oh, man, that would be sweet if it were true.
🙂
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Steve Eddy said:
Well it seems that Geoff likes to explain things after all. Here's the "white paper" on the "Brilliant Pebbles."
Brilliant Pebbles - Theory of Operation
There's no explanation at all there, no theory of operation. Just a rather garbled and incorrect "explanation" of thermal vibrations in crystals followed by some unsupported assertions. I'll poke around the site a bit more, but I have limited patience for this sort of nonsense.
EDIT: I ran a quick search at USPTO for Geoff or Geoffrey Kait. No results- he's apparently never patented anything.
SY said:EDIT: I ran a quick search at USPTO for Geoff or Geoffrey Kait. No results- he's apparently never patented anything.
So? Given that you can patent anything anymore, what has someone having never patented anything have to do with anything?
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For what it's worth, I'm a professional geologist (and an electronics hobbyist), with an MSc in Geology, and I have studied minerals and crystals extensively, and I can safely say that the "white paper" is unmitigated drivel.
Pjotr said:Com’on Steve,
Not so sour, here is a brilliant and “solid scientific” explanation:
Brilliant Pebbles - Theory of Operation
Ummmm, Pjotr, take a look three posts above yours. 😀
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saurus said:For what it's worth, I'm a professional geologist (and an electronics hobbyist), with an MSc in Geology, and I have studied minerals and crystals extensively, and I can safely say that the "white paper" is unmitigated drivel.
Naaaah. You're just ignorant. 🙂
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Steve Eddy said:
Ummmm, Pjotr, take a look three posts above yours. 😀
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Scratch that. Your post seems to have disappeared. 🙂
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