http://www.guardian.co.uk/climatechange/story/0,12374,1324379,00.html
"In recent decades CO2 increased on average by 1.5 parts per million (ppm) a year because of the amount of oil, coal and gas burnt, but has now jumped to more than 2 ppm in 2002 and 2003."
Yeah, right, only 0.58(respectively 1.04ppm) in plus / year. That can't be all that bad, can it?
"In recent decades CO2 increased on average by 1.5 parts per million (ppm) a year because of the amount of oil, coal and gas burnt, but has now jumped to more than 2 ppm in 2002 and 2003."
Yeah, right, only 0.58(respectively 1.04ppm) in plus / year. That can't be all that bad, can it?
I'm not concerned until it gets up to 100,000 ppm.
Fear not chicken little, the sky is not falling
Fear not chicken little, the sky is not falling
Hope there isn't any large volcanic eruptions any time soon. Don't think burning oil & coal can compete with that on the amount of CO2 & SO2 released. Hope the solar activity will start to cool down soon. Global warmist will blame that on oil & coal too. We are by the way right about on schedule with the Solar cycle and activity.
Global warming is heating the Arctic almost twice as fast as the rest of the planet:
hxtp://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/science/11/08/globalwarming.reut/index.html
hxtp://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/science/11/08/globalwarming.reut/index.html
roibm said:Being blind has many meanings...
In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is King.
Shoot the moon.
One fish, two fish, red fish, blue fish.
Man is a tool-using animal. Weak in himself and small of stature, he stands on a basis of some half square foot, has to straddle out his legs, lest the very winds supplant him. Nevertheless, he can devise tools. With these the granite mountain melts into dust before him. Seas are his smooth highway, Winds and fire his unwearying steeds. Nowhere do you find him without tools. Without tools he is nothing, with tools he is all. (Thomas Carlyle 1795-1881)
All skill is for naught, when an angel ****es on your flintlock.
Mark with a crayon, cut with an ax, grind to fit, hammer into possition.
Yippee! I can post obscure Quotes too!!!!
Tall Shadow
Good. First step achieved!!! But my bird can do that too, so you have to do better than that: put them in context. My bird has problems with that as well.Tall Shadow said:
roibm said:
"Life is like a box of chocolates." -Forest Gump
As was stated in previous posts, The amount of CO2 We produce is infinitesimal, compared to that which is released by the Earth itself.
"A blade of grass always grows upward in the sun, but a mind only in the darkness, dies." -Me
I am constantly bewildered by the fervor of people over Co2/Global Warming/ save the spotted cummerbund, crowd.
"The two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity. But not in that order. "
Yes we need to do our best to keep things under control, however, I think that people HUGELY overestimate Our actual impact on Our climate.
"A stupid man's report of what a clever man says is never accurate because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand."
-- Bertrand Russell
When the scientist that coined the whole "Global Warming" hypothesis, comes out and says that he was totally WRONG about the mechanism(s) causing it, I have to agree, and call B*LL-S*IT! on it's supporters.
"The pen is mightier than the sword, and considerably easier to write with."
-- Marty Feldman
Might CO2 be a factor? Sure! Is it the Total picture? Not by a long shot.
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
-- Albert Einstein
The sun's solar cycle is the more likely candidate for our current warming trends. As much as man would like to see himself as being a great influence in the world, his greatest achievements are but a blip in the scope of time.
"Denial ain't just a river in Egypt. -Mark Twain
Show that to Your bird for Me! 😉
Tall Shadow
flawedTall Shadow said:
why wouldn't they?
underestimaded is the right word there.
so if someone is wrong everybody is wrong?
true
true. should we stop researching?
I did
point is, we don't produce only co2, and the production is accompanied by guess what.
Roughly 3% of CO2 in the atmosphere is from human activity.
There is NO, I repeat - NO, conclusive evidence as of yet to the affect this 3% has on climate change.
In regards to our 3% even having a chance at inducing climate change - chew on this:
CO2 contributes to 4% of the greenhouse process (effect). If 3% of that is from humans, then 0.12% of the process is from human activity.
If you cut the CO2 level in the atmosphere by 3% (our total contribution) it would only affect climate by 0.072 degrees.
There is NO, I repeat - NO, conclusive evidence as of yet to the affect this 3% has on climate change.
In regards to our 3% even having a chance at inducing climate change - chew on this:
CO2 contributes to 4% of the greenhouse process (effect). If 3% of that is from humans, then 0.12% of the process is from human activity.
If you cut the CO2 level in the atmosphere by 3% (our total contribution) it would only affect climate by 0.072 degrees.
roibm said:
What if the ice is just sinking? I will be worried when the salinity of the northern oceans decreases.
You don't think that it has anything to do with the recent hightend solar activity do you?
BTW It was aroud 5 degrees (F) warmer back in the middle ages then it is now. You don't suppose it was horse farts do you? I doubt it.
as it seems mentioned before here, how much acid rain caused by sulfuric acid in the atmosphere due to all of the SO2 from a large volcanic erution? Thats just one or two of the many harmful compounds released from volcanos. Compare to man's production. We don't even hold a candle.
Lusso5 said:
3% of what = 0.072 degrees
The total greenhouse efect?
3% of the total greenhouse efect is going to be larger than that.
cunningham said:
Degrees? dont you mean bubbles 😀
http://www.howstuffworks.com/question663.htm
cunningham said:
How much carbon do grass eating animals sink? more than they fart out thats for sure
BTW why are some Americans so interested in animal farts?
cunningham said:
Peak or average measurment?
Yes volcanic gas is deadly, just like volcanos, but does the acid rain in your town or city come from volcanos or from cars?
Lava comes from volcanos too, do you think that makes it o.k to melt people or burn them alive with peterol just because a volcano would?
B.VDBOS said:
🙄 3% of the total Co2 in the atmosphere (Is from human activity.).
???? WTF, Over! ????
How much carbon do grass eating animals sink? more than they fart out thats for sure
BTW why are some Americans so interested in animal farts?
"Grass eating" (Bovines especially) animals produce large amounts of methane when they "Out-gas". Such hydrocarbons are "Said" to be contributing to the famous 'Global Warming" that the Eco-ites are so fond of telling Us is what is killing Our planet.
These same people say that it is even more of a problem than the Co2 trouble(s).
Bovines are poor choices for "Carbon Sinks".
We like animal farts because, it makes Us remember why We left Europe 200+ years ago.....
Volcanoes, gas vents, and other emissions are far greater contributors than man usually has been, except when He was/is using low grade fuels( wood, coal, Etc.). Of the man made producers of today, usually, allot of it comes from Coal or other low grade fuels being burned for heat/power. I would look to these sources for Your answers first.
Lava comes from volcanos too, do you think that makes it o.k to melt people or burn them alive with peterol just because a volcano would?
No, I think (Using Your logic path) that We should use the pumice from the hardened lava, (also from volcanos!) and Tooth-brush them, to death, instead!
Sure they would be dead, but their teeth would look "Fabulous!"
Tall Shadow
roibm said:
You need to be a little more vague in your disputing the other side of the discussions please. I almost had some kind of an idea what you meant to say.
Why wouldn't we all join the "Save the pie-spectacled Door magnet society"?
Might it be, that >it too< is a group that believes in a fictional thing, that supporting evidence doesn't exist for either?
When My mother was training to be a RN (Registered Nurse) in the late 1950's, "Experts" were sure that Cancer was caused from a virus. This was the excepted knowledge of the day.
This was before electron microscopes and the like, and all research was directed along these paths. We can now say the these "Experts" were mistaken (At least in part.).
"Experts" said that the earth is flat.
"Experts" said that the sound barrier is an impenetrable wall.
"Experts" said that man couldn't live in space
"Experts" said......................
I use this as a simple statement of "Experts" aren't always, and "Ultimate knowledge" is not always.
Our (Best/Worst case) contribution being 3% +- ?
Sorry, 3% is just too little. We are not as "All Powerful" as You would like to believe.
You miss the point.
If one is trying to argue the wing size of the "Tooth Fairy", is not one (Or a group of "Ones") doing senseless work?
If the person who developed the whole concept of "Global warming" says that the whole theory is flawed at a base level, I have to think that Maybe, just maybe there is something wrong with the "Theory". Is it totally useless, no. But it needs to be >OBJECTIVELY< "taken a step back from" and re-assessed from the beginning, from the base theory.
Zipped right past the point again.......................See above.
Research is Great stuff, when used on worthwhile things. Researching bellybutton lint as a fuel source is not such a thing. Nor is excluding BASIC research practices, such as making sure the researches base theory(s) are sound.
Cool! 😉
Snow shoes?
Pancakes?
Black cocktail dresses?
Enchanters named "Tim"?
I think Your side and My side want the same thing(s). A clean Earth for Us and future people, Etc.
No one I know wants to "Pass on" a world unfit for My kids and their kids to have to live in.
We just want good science to be used to "Get there". There is a whole lot of poorly done scientific work being done out there today, and it is being used as the basis for sweeping reforms and legislation(s) that sometimes do more harm than good.
Tall Shadow
Well, there are experts who said many many stupid things.
There are even more experts who said right things.
Whether the guys saying we do have a major impact on the environment are right or not, we or our children will see it. I do hope they are wrong, but I know they aren't. There are too many respected voices out there, much better "trained" than you and me and the herd reading this thread.
There are even more experts who said right things.
Whether the guys saying we do have a major impact on the environment are right or not, we or our children will see it. I do hope they are wrong, but I know they aren't. There are too many respected voices out there, much better "trained" than you and me and the herd reading this thread.
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