Lars Clausen said:Skaara: If you use 10 kHz, you will probably have a pack of howling dogs around your house ( = poor S/N ratio ) 😀
Could switching residues of 10KHz or 30KHz attract dogs??
Ok thanks for answers regarding switching frequency ill try with 50 khz for start when ill have the basic circuit on the table...
What about modulators and fet drivers,?
Will half bridge work ok here?
tnx🙂
What about modulators and fet drivers,?
Will half bridge work ok here?
tnx🙂
It will be cheaper to just BUY a premade 1kW class d subwoofer plate amp. Now i cant remember the manuf but there is one out there.
Why?
Well, unless you have lots of experience designing smaller Class D amps, you have no idea what you are in for, and how damn hard it is.
Since it is so damn hard, it would be easier and cheaper to buy a commercially built one.
Especially if it is for a subwoofer.
Jocko
I dont know why some people make fun of attempting high power low frequency class d.
Well, unless you have lots of experience designing smaller Class D amps, you have no idea what you are in for, and how damn hard it is.
Since it is so damn hard, it would be easier and cheaper to buy a commercially built one.
Especially if it is for a subwoofer.
Jocko
Kenshin said:
Could switching residues of 10KHz or 30KHz attract dogs??
Actually it repels dogs!
😀
Pafi said:
the electric diagram does not have the numeration of leads of the integrated circuits.... you has these details?
thanks
a designer of car amps of the south of brasi, created one amp class D with 2.3KW rms.... many does not believe of such feat sees in link below and comments please ....
http://stforum.com.br/index.php?showtopic=45763&st=0
http://stforum.com.br/index.php?showtopic=45763&st=0
Elias!
Leads as in real life,
HCPL2631: Pin1 is in upper left corner,
IR2110: Pin1 is in lower right corner.
But for the matter of fact, you will have to solve more complicated problems, if you want to build it! It's not intended to be a step to step building guide, just my notes, or idea for others. (Other guys are (maybe) right, it can be cheaper to by one. But I don't know what is available in Brazil.)
Leads as in real life,
HCPL2631: Pin1 is in upper left corner,
IR2110: Pin1 is in lower right corner.
But for the matter of fact, you will have to solve more complicated problems, if you want to build it! It's not intended to be a step to step building guide, just my notes, or idea for others. (Other guys are (maybe) right, it can be cheaper to by one. But I don't know what is available in Brazil.)
By the way: nowadays I'm finishing a couple of 1 kW full range (16...30kHz) amps:
Amplifier:
http://www.hszk.bme.hu/~sp215/PWM_1kW/1.jpg
http://www.hszk.bme.hu/~sp215/PWM_1kW/2.jpg
Supply:
http://www.hszk.bme.hu/~sp215/PWM_1kW/3.jpg
http://www.hszk.bme.hu/~sp215/PWM_1kW/4.jpg
Waveforms:
http://www.hszk.bme.hu/~sp215/PWM_1kW/5.jpg
http://www.hszk.bme.hu/~sp215/PWM_1kW/6.jpg
http://www.hszk.bme.hu/~sp215/PWM_1kW/7.jpg
http://www.hszk.bme.hu/~sp215/PWM_1kW/8.jpg
http://www.hszk.bme.hu/~sp215/PWM_1kW/9.jpg
http://www.hszk.bme.hu/~sp215/PWM_1kW/10.jpg
Post-filter feedback, protected against overcurrent, balanced input, 2 and 4 ohms versions.
Amplifier:
http://www.hszk.bme.hu/~sp215/PWM_1kW/1.jpg
http://www.hszk.bme.hu/~sp215/PWM_1kW/2.jpg
Supply:
http://www.hszk.bme.hu/~sp215/PWM_1kW/3.jpg
http://www.hszk.bme.hu/~sp215/PWM_1kW/4.jpg
Waveforms:
http://www.hszk.bme.hu/~sp215/PWM_1kW/5.jpg
http://www.hszk.bme.hu/~sp215/PWM_1kW/6.jpg
http://www.hszk.bme.hu/~sp215/PWM_1kW/7.jpg
http://www.hszk.bme.hu/~sp215/PWM_1kW/8.jpg
http://www.hszk.bme.hu/~sp215/PWM_1kW/9.jpg
http://www.hszk.bme.hu/~sp215/PWM_1kW/10.jpg
Post-filter feedback, protected against overcurrent, balanced input, 2 and 4 ohms versions.
Pafi:
Good work! This will show the 'can't be done' doom-and-gloom merchants. Although having said that, you're obviously experienced in this field and I would agree with the view that a 1kW switcher is not a suitable ground-up project for complete beginners.
Back in 1988 I worked for a military electronics place which had a great big vibrating machine with which they used to subject our products to MIL spec. This thing had a big 'voice coil' and driver rated at several kW and with a bandwidth of 2-3kHz. One day we strapped a big wooden board to the vibration table to act as a 'cone' and fed the machine with an external signal from a portable cassette player. Then we jacked up the power on the servo amp to full. It was loud, but not as loud as we thought it would be. And it sounded more like very loud traffic noise than music. But the 100mm cone excursion was quite impressive .
At a research org I worked at during the 1990's the Science Buzzards had a great big Instron electro-hydraulic load tester which was capable of generating forces of 50kN or so, and could achieve speeds of 20 m/s. I always wanted to try make a meaty subwoofer transducer out of this thing, but the org had several white coated tekkies watching over the Instron on a 24 hr basis and they were very suspicious of young elec eng bods showing more than a casual interest in their baby.
Good work! This will show the 'can't be done' doom-and-gloom merchants. Although having said that, you're obviously experienced in this field and I would agree with the view that a 1kW switcher is not a suitable ground-up project for complete beginners.
Back in 1988 I worked for a military electronics place which had a great big vibrating machine with which they used to subject our products to MIL spec. This thing had a big 'voice coil' and driver rated at several kW and with a bandwidth of 2-3kHz. One day we strapped a big wooden board to the vibration table to act as a 'cone' and fed the machine with an external signal from a portable cassette player. Then we jacked up the power on the servo amp to full. It was loud, but not as loud as we thought it would be. And it sounded more like very loud traffic noise than music. But the 100mm cone excursion was quite impressive .
At a research org I worked at during the 1990's the Science Buzzards had a great big Instron electro-hydraulic load tester which was capable of generating forces of 50kN or so, and could achieve speeds of 20 m/s. I always wanted to try make a meaty subwoofer transducer out of this thing, but the org had several white coated tekkies watching over the Instron on a 24 hr basis and they were very suspicious of young elec eng bods showing more than a casual interest in their baby.
please friends... postem + schems of amps class D full bridge based in IC the IR2110/2113 this I find in Brazil with easiness.... want to analizer + schems pra to see which to mount.... have great experience in projects of amplifiers of high power professional in class AB and H until 6KW rms .... class D, never I mounted none. I am thankful since already all that to help me.
thanks
thanks
Elias Novaes said:a designer of car amps of the south of brasi, created one amp class D with 2.3KW rms.... many does not believe of such feat sees in link below and comments please ....
http://stforum.com.br/index.php?showtopic=45763&st=0
Class D amps are very efficient but is that an entire 12 V car amp with power supply included for 2300 Wrms?!

I looked through that thread and never saw schematics.... I don't comprehend Portuguese so I'm not sure but did he ever post schematics for that amp? That thing is beautiful 🙂
An externally hosted image should be here but it was not working when we last tested it.
Looking at that pic it seems that the 8 TO220 devices are the push-pull FETs for the psu and the 4 TO247 guys are the output FETs... is that really enough to achieve 2300 Wrms? If so, that truly is amazing 😱
Elias and rth,
I designed in the past some high power car amps working in class B and I can say, with no aditional information about this amp, that the component choice and the structure of it allow that level of continuous power. Many car audio class D amps have similar structure.
The big issue there is cooling and heatsinking. I think it would work well for musical programs using proper cooling.
Best regards
I designed in the past some high power car amps working in class B and I can say, with no aditional information about this amp, that the component choice and the structure of it allow that level of continuous power. Many car audio class D amps have similar structure.
The big issue there is cooling and heatsinking. I think it would work well for musical programs using proper cooling.
Best regards
I have tried the 555 as a pulse position modulator (PPM) in a class D amplifier.
The results were not pleasing. It seemed that the variance of duty cycle due to pulse position was not as practical as pulse width modulation.
I suppose one could make it work, but it was not worth my hair pulling when a simple LM311 comparator with triangle wave gen attached was leagues ahead and sounded really good.
The results were not pleasing. It seemed that the variance of duty cycle due to pulse position was not as practical as pulse width modulation.
I suppose one could make it work, but it was not worth my hair pulling when a simple LM311 comparator with triangle wave gen attached was leagues ahead and sounded really good.
The pulse diagram looks like PWM to me. Wouldn't PPM have a short duration pulse of constant width that moves along the time axis within the sample period?
My rough estimates show that for 2300w continuous you'd need on the order of 400A peak current coming from the 12V source
My rough estimates show that for 2300w continuous you'd need on the order of 400A peak current coming from the 12V source

Class D amps
I'm sorry but this is not a trivial task. Just buy the UcD700 amp module. Bridge 2 if you still need more power than that. I know you don't learn as much but from what sounds like your experience level, you are in for a lot of pain before you get a 1KW design to work. Myself I use the ICE 1000 modules in my products.
I'm sorry but this is not a trivial task. Just buy the UcD700 amp module. Bridge 2 if you still need more power than that. I know you don't learn as much but from what sounds like your experience level, you are in for a lot of pain before you get a 1KW design to work. Myself I use the ICE 1000 modules in my products.
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