Another giant thread for mental masturbating ...
Well done and quite useless.
Well done and quite useless.
Why? The audibility of MP3 compression has been well studied.
What does it has to do with the DAC sounding?
Build at least 3 identical DACs, all with active parts from the same batches. AFAIK I made a batch of 8.
Use different passives like electrolytic caps of the same value but from another brand/series in only 1 of them. Don’t say anything, call the DACs A, B and C and make sure they can not be seen. Invite fellow builders and hardliner objectivists, listen together and ask their opinion. Measure with them afterwards.
Easier than comparison of entirely different devices especially when they have “features” like changeable filters that have influence.
Still confusing.
Use different passives like electrolytic caps of the same value but from another brand/series in only 1 of them. Don’t say anything, call the DACs A, B and C and make sure they can not be seen. Invite fellow builders and hardliner objectivists, listen together and ask their opinion. Measure with them afterwards.
Easier than comparison of entirely different devices especially when they have “features” like changeable filters that have influence.
Still confusing.
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It is apparent why higher technical education and subsequent experience is not free. The OP asked simply can you hear the difference between two (regardless of type manufacturer or technology applied or samples per hour or filter types and slopes or any post processing employed) in two or more DACs that apparently measures (specified) the same. No discussion was required about phase noise, distortion SINAD or anything else since these according to the OP should be virtually identical. It is either a YES or NO and maybe between the product brands you listened at. He may want some ideas of a short list to which he may purchase a product that may suit his needs. In 143 post so far, there seems to be no conclusion so nobody can say neither here or there. I would say that I definitely hear a difference between a Wadia6 CD player and a topping D50 DAC, connected to the same transport. The topping sounds cool almost cynical while the Wadia sounds more refined but warmer. Unfortunately the Topping has far better specifications than the almost 30 year old Wadia
EDIT: I have no idea but the Wadia may even use a Realtec DAC found in laptops, who knows.
EDIT: I have no idea but the Wadia may even use a Realtec DAC found in laptops, who knows.
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Do these measure the same/equally well?
Like the thread title says.
You edit faster than your own shadow but when they don’t measure equally well what do you expect? They both are different and measure differently, them sounding the same would be a miracle.
Like the thread title says.
You edit faster than your own shadow but when they don’t measure equally well what do you expect? They both are different and measure differently, them sounding the same would be a miracle.
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Distortion below the limits of human hearing. It's a fairly well recognised metric.
I don't think any really. When I bought the old Wadia, I don't even think that the specifications mattered. It does no now either. I listen to things and I like or I don't like what I hear. This is the option we all have. Once you start asking what is inside then you want to show off that you know a thing or two about it.
Sorry JP I have blocked your quarrels long time ago so I do not know nor care what BS you are witing.
Here is the only data I could find on HiFiengine about the Wadia6. The topping is clearly the better machine that the Wadia, but I enjoy the Wadia more, I use the topping on my PC not because I want to, I got it for a present from my wife and therefor I have to use it.
WADIA6
Digital converter: 20 bit
Line output: 3.2V
Digital connections: coaxial, optical, AES
Dimensions: 13.751 x 16 x 5.5 inches
Weight: 35lbs
WADIA6
Specifications
Disc format: CDDigital converter: 20 bit
Line output: 3.2V
Digital connections: coaxial, optical, AES
Dimensions: 13.751 x 16 x 5.5 inches
Weight: 35lbs
Yes different DACs fed by different sources (possibly via different interfaces) playing back different media may possibly sound different. That is shocking news.
Oh sorry you don’t read my posts.
Oh sorry you don’t read my posts.
Yes, the mind has strange ways. We can become attached to certain things. I really enjoyed listening to my old Rotel 950 CD player this week. It cost £250 back in 1996. No flaws were apparent.
Who doesnt read your posts? Anyway what does any of that even mean? 😆
Studied?! .... well to see if you can actually hear the tremendous difference that in theory should be there .... if you can't the difference, then why would there be any chance in hearing the difference btw. two DACs which measure equally well?
Miller, I also had a Rotel CD975 that I traded on the Wadia, I thought because the Wadia was so expensive it was better and the salesman told me so many facts that it stunned my own wisdom. Until today, I am sorry that I got rid of the Rotel. I had some problkems with the CD tray gear stripped, but got one from an importer for about $0.40 and the problem was solved. If you did not know the Rotel CD tray and mechanism is from Phillips.
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