can DACs sound different if they both measure well?

can DACs sound different of they both measure well?

  • Yes, I know I can hear the difference

    Votes: 69 45.7%
  • I think I can hear differences sometimes

    Votes: 26 17.2%
  • Not sure

    Votes: 18 11.9%
  • No, they will sound the same

    Votes: 38 25.2%

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@ Nico Ras A refection is a distortion not present in the original. Else room treatment is BS. So what is your point. If you like reflection just add a reverb in your system
Reflections are always present at any music performance, of course, unless done outdoors in a wide open space. Reflections are a part of how we usually hear live music, so aren’t rightly considered distortion. Reflections of the listening room with in-home reproduced music, however, are a different thing (the second venue effect), and should be controlled/minimized. Those are a distortion. Controlling those via room treatment, or speaker directivity, is proper. Reverb is something else altogether, being artificially created and arbitrary.
 
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Actually the RTZ dac Markw4 has referred to in this thread has higher crosstalk which is another indication that claims of superior soundstage should be taken with a grain of salt especially since proper controls have not been used in listening evaluations.
Good soundstage doesn’t require very low crosstalk. Vinyl reproduction achieves channel separation of about 30-40 dB only, yet soundstage can be great. Another things are at play there.
 
Reflections are always present at any music performance, of course, unless done outdoors in a wide open space. Reflections are a part of how we usually hear live music, so aren’t rightly considered distortion. Reflections of the listening room with in-home reproduced music, however, are a different thing (the second venue effect), and should be controlled/minimized. Those are a distortion. Controlling those via room treatment, or speaker directivity, is proper. Reverb is something else altogether, being artificially created and arbitrary.
what a revelation. first time ever said. You must be a qualified audiophile.
 
I wish audiophiles concentrated on music and less BS. Tell me what sounds great, not that I need to move my equipment into a field because I wont get the essence of the sound. If you only listen to live sound, why do you have a hi-fi, no sense in that. Buy yourself another ticket.
 
I don't care about listening enjoyment. When something sounds different I want to know what causes that and how to measure that. That way I can run an automated series of tests, get the numbers and then know how it sounds without having to wast time with music.
 
Well record a f@rt and tell me who's was it and what he/she ate or does he wear underpants or not, was it wet..... Fortunately I rather listen to music and own a system that I enjoy listening to. Once you achieve this you will also enter the realm of enjoyment of music. Hope you do soon rather than BS yourself with all this wanna be scientist stuff.
 
[That way I can run an automated series of tests, get the numbers and then know how it sounds without having to wast time with music.]

Those test will be perfect for deaf people wanting to be audiophiles. They can read the numbers and know what it sounds like. You should patent the idea immediately. Maybe do it in braille, deaf dumb and blind could enjoy hi-fi systems, a brand new market emerges.
 
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You are just recognizing time delay of the incident, nothing new or miraculous here. It has been evident since we developed ears.If I play you a signal of far away and then one of close-by you would not even know the difference.
There is much published research that shows you are mistaken.
There are articles on the subject at:
https://www.linkwitzlab.com/publications.htm
https://www.researchgate.net/public...ENSIONAL_SOUND_FIELD_USING_A_VIRTUAL_LISTENER
https://www.researchgate.net/profil...hnical-Papers-on-Stereo-and-Spatial-Audio.pdf

Anyway, there are two main cues to auditory perception of depth. They are: (1) ratio of direct to reflected sound, and (2) air loss of high frequencies with distance.
 
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