Hi,
Hey...wait a minute...get your facts straight first, will you??
This was in responce to Tim Williams about his magnet repelling test or whatever he was trying to prove about QC on LSs.
Oh, but I did, and I'll find if I must even it's totally besides the point
Which is exactly what was done or what do you think??
Yes and you can be a PITA too..Happy now??
That's speculative for you.
None of which are going to suit you so why bother...
No Steve, they were rubberbands cut randomly...🙄
Cheers,😉
Hey...wait a minute...get your facts straight first, will you??
This was in responce to Tim Williams about his magnet repelling test or whatever he was trying to prove about QC on LSs.
Oh, but I did, and I'll find if I must even it's totally besides the point
Which is exactly what was done or what do you think??
Yes and you can be a PITA too..Happy now??
That's speculative for you.
None of which are going to suit you so why bother...
No Steve, they were rubberbands cut randomly...🙄
Cheers,😉
No, I deserve an answer. So far, it doesn't sound anything like my passive shootout, so I'm trying to understand what it actually was. It's pretty tough getting details out of you, to be honest. C'mon, Frank, it's ME you're talking to.
Hi,
Why? Just think a bit harder.
And what answer did you expect from that one?
Not really...Actually quite the contrary.
LOL...So?
Cheers,😉
Why? Just think a bit harder.
And what answer did you expect from that one?
Not really...Actually quite the contrary.
LOL...So?
Cheers,😉
To The Phonon Expert...........
Steve,
I asked you a whole bunch of questions here - http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=254236#post254236
Eric.
Steve,
I asked you a whole bunch of questions here - http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=254236#post254236
Eric.
fdegrove said:
My facts are straight. I quoted all I saw you say in your post where you made the claim about crystal annealing. Well, everything except for the cheers.
I can assure you that you said it nowhere in your post where you made the claim about crystal annealing.
All I saw you say subsequently about any manufacturers is your saying that manufacturers are aware of it (crystal annealing), not that what you were claiming came from cable manufacturers.
Not sure exactly what was done. Your description of how the test was done seems to only come one or two sentences per post, like those old Burma Shave ads, 'cept the "Use Burma Shave!" sign's nowhere in sight yet.
Please, not this tired old tactic.
se
Re: To The Phonon Expert...........
Yes, I saw those. But since you've made it quite clear that you've no interest whatsoever in establishing that there's an actual audible difference in the first place, I didn't see much point in answering them.
se
mrfeedback said:
Yes, I saw those. But since you've made it quite clear that you've no interest whatsoever in establishing that there's an actual audible difference in the first place, I didn't see much point in answering them.
se
I honestly don't know what to expect. You're making a startling claim, but are being less than forthcoming about how you verified it. It's OK to say, "I believe this, but don't yet have any hard data to support this belief." It is not OK, in my world at least, to make a startling claim, further claim to have rigorous evidence, then get coy about what that evidence is. If you want to wrap yourself in the rigor of science, it obligates you to follow the rules.
Here's one of the reasons I'm sensitive to this: I used to work in a lab at University of Utah during my PhD years. In the next lab, there was a professor who made some startling claims which refuted orthodox physics, went on to claim rigorous backup, refused to provide details so that his work could be replicated, and ridiculed anyone who expressed any skepticism. Fellow by the name of Stan Pons. Is that name fmiliar to you? It absolutely wrecked what was, at the time, a Top 10 chemistry department and greatly devalued my degree.
Well, cryogenic treatment of cables is at least half of cold fusion ...
(cryo = cold) 😀
In this case I think there's lot more hot (air that is).
Hi,
Absolutely...
But, and this makes me really wonder, do you actually read what other contributors add to this exchange?
Or other replies in other threads for that matter?
Some members here obtain absolutely zero credibility from me and for a good reason.
Whithin that context, do you actually expect a serious answer when you ask for the obvious?
I really start to understand some members not willing to share information anymore because they feel it's just a waste of time.
Pretty soon, if not already, we'll reach the point of no return where experienced members are just too fed up answering to anything even remotely sensible.
So, to answer your question about the tests:
It was done in a scientific way, period.
Other members may now ask what that constitues to me, right?
Oh, and I'm absolutely correct in thinking that you guys are at least 10 years behind...
Mind you, I haven't read a single audio mag for the past 10 years either but then I don't need them to think for my own either...
Does it ever occur to you that you don't need a scientific proof to actually take advantage of a well founded suggestion?
Quite often science catches up later on or did you miss all the courses on revolution theory and logic?
Cheers,😉
Absolutely...
But, and this makes me really wonder, do you actually read what other contributors add to this exchange?
Or other replies in other threads for that matter?
Some members here obtain absolutely zero credibility from me and for a good reason.
Whithin that context, do you actually expect a serious answer when you ask for the obvious?
I really start to understand some members not willing to share information anymore because they feel it's just a waste of time.
Pretty soon, if not already, we'll reach the point of no return where experienced members are just too fed up answering to anything even remotely sensible.
So, to answer your question about the tests:
It was done in a scientific way, period.
Other members may now ask what that constitues to me, right?
Oh, and I'm absolutely correct in thinking that you guys are at least 10 years behind...
Mind you, I haven't read a single audio mag for the past 10 years either but then I don't need them to think for my own either...
Does it ever occur to you that you don't need a scientific proof to actually take advantage of a well founded suggestion?
Quite often science catches up later on or did you miss all the courses on revolution theory and logic?
Cheers,😉
What next.......
"There usually isn't much controversy among dogmatists who share the same dogma. What you're saying here is tantamount to saying that there's not much controversy among Christians about the divinity of Christ. Or that there's not much controversy among white supremecists about the supremecy of the white race."
First Grey calls me terrorist, now Mr. Eddy comes along and insults people's religious beliefs and compares belief in a pretty unimportant design choice to racism!
I am use to the personal insults and considering the source, I consider them a complement. I can even almost deal with the craziness because maybe he can't help it. Turning a debate on an issue for which he as no constructive input or rational debate into total anarchy is becoming an extremely tiring and incredibly frequent occurrence. What's the point? These rants don't inform, educate, or even entertain. When his usual four day rant becomes so bankrupt of ideas that he compares the opposing viewpoint to religious beliefs and racism, it becomes not pathetic, but actually truly offensive. In a world filled with racial and religious conflict, there is no excuse elevating disputes over pretty insignificant topics, to the level of inflammatory rhetoric that has nothing to do with audio. I cannot believe the majority of the forum members and especially the moderators will tolerate this BS. It shows the most blatant disregard for the rules of conduct, and the utter contempt that Mr. Eddy feels for members of forum who disagree with him. I receive constant Email from others who find this conduct moving rapidly toward intolerable. Do Mr. Eddy's rights now outweigh those of the rest of the forum?
Enough already!
Fred
"There usually isn't much controversy among dogmatists who share the same dogma. What you're saying here is tantamount to saying that there's not much controversy among Christians about the divinity of Christ. Or that there's not much controversy among white supremecists about the supremecy of the white race."
First Grey calls me terrorist, now Mr. Eddy comes along and insults people's religious beliefs and compares belief in a pretty unimportant design choice to racism!
I am use to the personal insults and considering the source, I consider them a complement. I can even almost deal with the craziness because maybe he can't help it. Turning a debate on an issue for which he as no constructive input or rational debate into total anarchy is becoming an extremely tiring and incredibly frequent occurrence. What's the point? These rants don't inform, educate, or even entertain. When his usual four day rant becomes so bankrupt of ideas that he compares the opposing viewpoint to religious beliefs and racism, it becomes not pathetic, but actually truly offensive. In a world filled with racial and religious conflict, there is no excuse elevating disputes over pretty insignificant topics, to the level of inflammatory rhetoric that has nothing to do with audio. I cannot believe the majority of the forum members and especially the moderators will tolerate this BS. It shows the most blatant disregard for the rules of conduct, and the utter contempt that Mr. Eddy feels for members of forum who disagree with him. I receive constant Email from others who find this conduct moving rapidly toward intolerable. Do Mr. Eddy's rights now outweigh those of the rest of the forum?
Enough already!
Fred
Hi,
Just read this crap:
And onwards....
Is there any sense to this BS?
Crap, that's what is, 😉
Just read this crap:
And onwards....
Is there any sense to this BS?
Crap, that's what is, 😉
Then it should be quite easy for you to refute it without resort to name-calling.
The "scientific way" means giving full information, details, and disclosure so that the community can evaluate and, when possible, replicate. So far, I haven't seen any of that.
Re: What next.......
No such comparison was made.
I was addressing your argument that because there isn't much controversy about a given issue among a particular group of like-minded individuals that this is somehow evidence that the issue has been resolved.
To wit:
I get a kick out of these fire storms over things that have not been controversial in high end audio for at least ten years.
What my reply was saying is that the lack of controversy among audiophiles with regard to wire directionality does not establish any particular truth as to the directionality of wires any more than the lack of controversy among Christians or white supremecists with regard to the divinity of Christ or the superiority of the white race establishes any particular truth as to the dinvinity of Christ or the superiority of the white race.
Either you completely misread my reply or you're intentionally twisting things out of all context in order to try and justify this grandstanding personal rant which has absolutely nothing to do with the issues.
se
Fred Dieckmann said:
No such comparison was made.
I was addressing your argument that because there isn't much controversy about a given issue among a particular group of like-minded individuals that this is somehow evidence that the issue has been resolved.
To wit:
I get a kick out of these fire storms over things that have not been controversial in high end audio for at least ten years.
What my reply was saying is that the lack of controversy among audiophiles with regard to wire directionality does not establish any particular truth as to the directionality of wires any more than the lack of controversy among Christians or white supremecists with regard to the divinity of Christ or the superiority of the white race establishes any particular truth as to the dinvinity of Christ or the superiority of the white race.
Either you completely misread my reply or you're intentionally twisting things out of all context in order to try and justify this grandstanding personal rant which has absolutely nothing to do with the issues.
se
Hi,
It seems to me you're assuming I was in charge. This wasn't the case.
I can't hand out what I don't have, sorry...
Cheers,😉
It seems to me you're assuming I was in charge. This wasn't the case.
I can't hand out what I don't have, sorry...
Cheers,😉
fdegrove said:
So where were the results published? I mean, 150 people didn't just march into someone's living room and fill out cards just to satisfy someone's personal curiousity did they?
se
Hi,
Hi-Fi Answers. Good luck finding tracks...
Never take my word for anything, I always lie don't I?
Cheers,😉
Hi-Fi Answers. Good luck finding tracks...
Never take my word for anything, I always lie don't I?
Cheers,😉
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