Hi John,
Having read mountains of material with no actual information, and none forthcoming, I can only assume that this is some way to market .... nothing. Great scam if you ask me (yeah, but I know you didn't).
How about "Specially shielded using ERS Stealth carbon fiber material." Carbon as a shield John? Was that the hidden secret to your Blowtorch by chance?
I think the most amusing part of reading Jack's website with this line ...
However, the most amusing bit appears in print above this last bit of comedy, hold on folks, because this next statement, taken with the comments about it's effectiveness and lack of ability to measure it's effects is truly an epic foot in mouth.
John, please tell us. For this is be a concern, there must have either been an instance (at least once) or technical trait that is know to likely damage something. Since your experience with the products, and your familiarity with Jack Bybee himself is far beyond the rest of the common mob, you must have knowledge of this. In fact, buy recommending these products without passing on this safety announcement seems a bit irresponsible. Besides, any product that could possibly cause damage to a system re-enforces it's possible effectiveness and validates the cost of the product. In other words, evidence of damage would be fabulous proof that the product can do something - anything!
Not one to ignore information, a glance at the "OEM MANUFACTURERS & RETAILERS" list reveals a host of individuals that would sell anything. Now, before anyone says that a product will not sell if it isn't effective, just remember the green marker for CDs, or how about the LEDs in the CD bay in your machine. Bricks anyone?
John, I feel embarrassed for you because you've lent your name to advance these products, and you even have a new product listed on the "About Bybee Technologies" page.
Got anything else to let us in on there John?
-Chris
Having read mountains of material with no actual information, and none forthcoming, I can only assume that this is some way to market .... nothing. Great scam if you ask me (yeah, but I know you didn't).
How about "Specially shielded using ERS Stealth carbon fiber material." Carbon as a shield John? Was that the hidden secret to your Blowtorch by chance?
I think the most amusing part of reading Jack's website with this line ...
Thank you Jack! If there was any glimmer that these might actually do something, the preceding claim pretty much finishes that.
However, the most amusing bit appears in print above this last bit of comedy, hold on folks, because this next statement, taken with the comments about it's effectiveness and lack of ability to measure it's effects is truly an epic foot in mouth.
So, what we can't measure may damage our stuff??
John, please tell us. For this is be a concern, there must have either been an instance (at least once) or technical trait that is know to likely damage something. Since your experience with the products, and your familiarity with Jack Bybee himself is far beyond the rest of the common mob, you must have knowledge of this. In fact, buy recommending these products without passing on this safety announcement seems a bit irresponsible. Besides, any product that could possibly cause damage to a system re-enforces it's possible effectiveness and validates the cost of the product. In other words, evidence of damage would be fabulous proof that the product can do something - anything!
Not one to ignore information, a glance at the "OEM MANUFACTURERS & RETAILERS" list reveals a host of individuals that would sell anything. Now, before anyone says that a product will not sell if it isn't effective, just remember the green marker for CDs, or how about the LEDs in the CD bay in your machine. Bricks anyone?
John, I feel embarrassed for you because you've lent your name to advance these products, and you even have a new product listed on the "About Bybee Technologies" page.
You didn't say that you were that involved with this company! In fact, one could reasonably assume that you are a representative from Bybee technologies, and that everything you have mentioned really belongs in the commercial area here. Since the copied paragraph indicates that this product was discontinued over 6 years from the date of this statement - directly implying that you have been involved with this company and product for a very long time. No wonder you see Jack Bybee often enough and can generally contact him at will. It also explains why you have Bybee products at your home.
Got anything else to let us in on there John?
-Chris
Really? Well, I have known Jack Bybee for about 15 years. I have visited his home/office once in my life. I did help him with an ADDED cap filter with lightning arrestor. That was the total input from me regarding the Bybee/Curl box. I got $5 royalty for each box sold. It stopped many years ago. I have done other projects with Jack Bybee, but no royalties so far. They did NOT involve the purifiers that I have NO control over.
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Anatech, just for clarity, I used ALUMINUM as a shield (and severely criticized for it) and I have NO Bybees in my Blowtorch preamp, although I could add them, if I were so inclined.
Let's talk about Cryoing electronic components. Yes, some people do this. I have never done it, myself, but I am told that it speeds up 'break-in' (another imaginary concept) so that one does not have to wait so long for 'improvements' (if any) by adding or using a given component.
Hi John,
I just wanted you to examine what you have posted in the past, and how some of your comments look after taking other sources of information into account. I know you are not a stupid man John, but the entire Bybee devices thread doesn't help your reputation much, I have to say. My only thought on this topic is that you're having great fun pulling our leg.
Oddly, building a race engine using an older "seasoned" block is supposed to get you a stress relieved foundation to start with. I'm not sure if this is true or not, but all of us poor people did grab older blocks to machine them into monsters. Mine was a 327 turned 332 at 450 bhp. A true monster and a scary engine. I killed it before it killed me.
Many stories. I'm not sure how much truth there is to anything.
A picture of a Bybee device I saw looks like a coated power resistor, round with end caps. These are too incredible to be real, or in other words, "to good to be true". I'm not believing in anything until I start hearing things that are plausible.
-Chris
I just wanted you to examine what you have posted in the past, and how some of your comments look after taking other sources of information into account. I know you are not a stupid man John, but the entire Bybee devices thread doesn't help your reputation much, I have to say. My only thought on this topic is that you're having great fun pulling our leg.
I know. 🙂 I may have a bad memory, but I can't forget that. However, I felt that you were not criticized for using Aluminum. You were criticized for the expensive method you used to create said chassis. If your recall, I didn't have too much of a problem with it. Many did.
Well, sure you could. I don't see where this is even an issue. You designed it. If you had the sudden idea that it would sound better if stuffed with Ho-Ho's, you could do that too. I wonder - would it? It might damp thongs out some more. Might ruin the p to p wiring though.
It is supposed to relief stresses in metallic objects. I have never tried it either, but I have seen test reports (with measured data) that supports that it improves rifle barrel accuracy. I enjoy shooting, but no way am I going to risk my (real) pre-'64 Winchester model 70. That's a beautiful shooter. If you miss, it's your fault! I have another really nice rifle, a Sako Hunter in .308. I wouldn't risk that one either. Same deal, accurate as heck.
Oddly, building a race engine using an older "seasoned" block is supposed to get you a stress relieved foundation to start with. I'm not sure if this is true or not, but all of us poor people did grab older blocks to machine them into monsters. Mine was a 327 turned 332 at 450 bhp. A true monster and a scary engine. I killed it before it killed me.
Many stories. I'm not sure how much truth there is to anything.
A picture of a Bybee device I saw looks like a coated power resistor, round with end caps. These are too incredible to be real, or in other words, "to good to be true". I'm not believing in anything until I start hearing things that are plausible.
-Chris
Too bad...
"Just last night an engineering colleague, whom I worked with at Humphrey Ins and Lineage, told me that I give TOO MUCH AWAY. He now makes $125+/hr as a consultant, and until last month was temp employed at LBL. He has known me for 26 years. "
Geez.. on good days I make that much in 5 minutes, by pressing keys on a computer...
It's truly a shame when someone successful in other pursuits in life latches onto something as pathetic as this "quantum clarifier" nonsense, thus tarnishing an otherwise admirable (if cantankerous) reputation
must be the psychedelia from decades past talking...
anyone for machina dynamica???
http://www.machinadynamica.com/machina60.htm
"Just last night an engineering colleague, whom I worked with at Humphrey Ins and Lineage, told me that I give TOO MUCH AWAY. He now makes $125+/hr as a consultant, and until last month was temp employed at LBL. He has known me for 26 years. "
Geez.. on good days I make that much in 5 minutes, by pressing keys on a computer...
It's truly a shame when someone successful in other pursuits in life latches onto something as pathetic as this "quantum clarifier" nonsense, thus tarnishing an otherwise admirable (if cantankerous) reputation
must be the psychedelia from decades past talking...
anyone for machina dynamica???
http://www.machinadynamica.com/machina60.htm
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The measurements John has posted are interesting, but they don't prove anything, IMO. As I said last time I saw these, I keep thinking: If I took a measurement, turned on an AC drill or refrigerator, or furnace, etc...and took another one, (or vice versa) I could get a waveform like that. The "intermodulation" it removes looks rather like ~8 periods in 5ms, so 1.6kHz....
I have seen caps that look like resistors as well, but what you saw are not really resistors. I know.
Or simply engage/disengage the HF filter. That's one reason I found the time stamps interesting.
I just wondered... you appear to have your tongue so far in your cheek in most of your posts, that you'd certainly have bitten it off by now if you couldn't take your teeth out when writing. 🙂
Mental note to self: Never play poker with John.
Hi John,
Once again a side step to avoid ... what John?
I don't think Ames Research is the one playing games here. Another round of name dropping I guess. No John, you weren't there when Jack Bybee might have been (it's a secret). It's your keyboard that's doing the talking and side stepping John, not NASA or any other US government agency. You may have know Mr. Bybee a long-ish time, but you would never have the clearance to even really talk about this with Jack. That is if there devices really did work.
Another clue this is hogwash? The devices are for sale openly outside of the US of A. Come on John, you don't even begin to make sense now.
-Chris
Lovely answer.
Once again a side step to avoid ... what John?
I don't think Ames Research is the one playing games here. Another round of name dropping I guess. No John, you weren't there when Jack Bybee might have been (it's a secret). It's your keyboard that's doing the talking and side stepping John, not NASA or any other US government agency. You may have know Mr. Bybee a long-ish time, but you would never have the clearance to even really talk about this with Jack. That is if there devices really did work.
Another clue this is hogwash? The devices are for sale openly outside of the US of A. Come on John, you don't even begin to make sense now.
-Chris
This thread has been going on a long time.
What have i learned?
People like to talk about nothing.
i see no reason to spend money on such devices, better spent elswhere.
John Curl is having fun.
What have i learned?
People like to talk about nothing.
i see no reason to spend money on such devices, better spent elswhere.
John Curl is having fun.
Cryogenic treatment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
" As the material cools its molecular structure is drawn together through contraction and stress and dislocation brought about by production methods is removed or reduced. Both Einstein and Bose of Germany realized why cryogenic treatment was able to remove residual stresses. Cryogenic treatment removes heat from an object which then allows the object to enter its most relaxed state or a condition with the least amount of kinetic energy. After heat treatment, steels still have a certain percentage of retained austenite which can be transformed into martensite via cryogenic treatment. Other effects are the production of martensite and the precipitation of Eta type carbides. All metals including copper and aluminum, not just steel benefit from the residual stress relief that cryogenic treatment promotes .... "
Does it imrpoves sound ?
No idea ...., but I would not say "definitely not".
Patrick
" As the material cools its molecular structure is drawn together through contraction and stress and dislocation brought about by production methods is removed or reduced. Both Einstein and Bose of Germany realized why cryogenic treatment was able to remove residual stresses. Cryogenic treatment removes heat from an object which then allows the object to enter its most relaxed state or a condition with the least amount of kinetic energy. After heat treatment, steels still have a certain percentage of retained austenite which can be transformed into martensite via cryogenic treatment. Other effects are the production of martensite and the precipitation of Eta type carbides. All metals including copper and aluminum, not just steel benefit from the residual stress relief that cryogenic treatment promotes .... "
Does it imrpoves sound ?
No idea ...., but I would not say "definitely not".
Patrick
Anybody got a spare BMI 4800 lying around, especially 15 years ago when it was not on the surplus market yet? That is apparently what was used to make the measurement. Think any different?
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