i doubt. the reason is, elections are not descided by the voters anymore. Elections are only fake, a fairytale to keep the masses away from revolution. soma.
That wouldnt suprise me one bit
, however i think people also tend to vote in what they know, some are reluctant to change over a known government, to an unknow government. I think Investors also make a difference 
.Trev🙂
I have no idea why the AP ran that piece. It could be the same reason Fox News ran a peice where Kerry made some odd quotes after the first debate, and it turned out to be an office joke the reporter was circulating around and it found itself onto the website!
As of right now, Kerry has the upper hand. That doesn't mean he is necessarily going to win, it only means he has the upper hand right now.
The polls are swinging his way, he has won one debate outright and probably the second.
The headlines in Iraq are not going to support Bush's candidacy the rest of the way.
The economic report about job losses are not supporting Bush's candidacy.
It all seems very much like the last days of his father's sole term, where bad-to-indifferent economic reports, coupled with poor performance in the debates, resulted in Bush Sr's loss of the presidency.
One more note. Although there are fewer undecided voters this year than last, there are still a lot of undecided voters. Even a converted-to-Republican spokesman such as Dick Morris, who works for Fox News, has admitted what others have also found: if you research the elections back many years, in a close race the undecideds move toward the challenger the last few days. That is statistically shown.
It is as if the undecideds hate to throw a guy out, but are holding out hope that the fellow will give them some reason to vote for him. If he cannot do it, they go for the challenger.
Kerry is the challenger, and this is a close race.
As of right now, Kerry has the upper hand. That doesn't mean he is necessarily going to win, it only means he has the upper hand right now.
The polls are swinging his way, he has won one debate outright and probably the second.
The headlines in Iraq are not going to support Bush's candidacy the rest of the way.
The economic report about job losses are not supporting Bush's candidacy.
It all seems very much like the last days of his father's sole term, where bad-to-indifferent economic reports, coupled with poor performance in the debates, resulted in Bush Sr's loss of the presidency.
One more note. Although there are fewer undecided voters this year than last, there are still a lot of undecided voters. Even a converted-to-Republican spokesman such as Dick Morris, who works for Fox News, has admitted what others have also found: if you research the elections back many years, in a close race the undecideds move toward the challenger the last few days. That is statistically shown.
It is as if the undecideds hate to throw a guy out, but are holding out hope that the fellow will give them some reason to vote for him. If he cannot do it, they go for the challenger.
Kerry is the challenger, and this is a close race.
Zogby, the most accurate poll in these things, just announced that Kerry is up three points, 47% to 44%. 🙂
For an explanation of why Zogby should be considered the most accurate poll, go to post #16, or click here:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=489236#post489236
For an explanation of why Zogby should be considered the most accurate poll, go to post #16, or click here:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=489236#post489236
The three debates are over. By the post debate polling, Kerry has won the third one decisively, 52% to 39%.
Plus, Bush committed a dreadful blunder last night, denying that he ever said he wasn't worried about the whereabouts of Osama bin Laden.
Ten minutes after the debates ended, CNN showed the clip at a 2002 press conference where Bush said, rather cockily, that he doesn't know where bin Laden is and isn't too worried about it.
That is the sort of thing that gets played over and over again on the news, and for the rest of the election.
By no means is Kerry's election assured. But Bush hurt himself last night. Badly.
Plus, Bush committed a dreadful blunder last night, denying that he ever said he wasn't worried about the whereabouts of Osama bin Laden.
Ten minutes after the debates ended, CNN showed the clip at a 2002 press conference where Bush said, rather cockily, that he doesn't know where bin Laden is and isn't too worried about it.
That is the sort of thing that gets played over and over again on the news, and for the rest of the election.
By no means is Kerry's election assured. But Bush hurt himself last night. Badly.
Yes...the tide seems to be turning...the only thing that causes me to think that Bush is still in the race, is simply put...there is not a groundswell of feeling (in the USA) that Bush's policies are a complete failure. As is the general feeling outside of the USA.
Don't fool yourself by confusing image and hype with reality.
The election is still 50/50.
There isn't really much difference (in substance, not style) between Bush and Kerry. Or, for that matter, Bush and Clinton.
The election is still 50/50.
There isn't really much difference (in substance, not style) between Bush and Kerry. Or, for that matter, Bush and Clinton.
That is your perception. The way I see it is very different. There is no way a 27 year old Bush could have said the things Kerry said when he testified before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on Vietnam.
He would handle virtually all issues very differently...as commander in chief having experienced the ill planning and incompetence of US war planners in Vietnam. He would handle civil rights differently, taxes, and would appoint different judges (if the opportunity arose) to the supreme court.. the list goes on and on and on. Death penalty, Foreign Policy ...bla..bla..bla..
Most of all....Kerry has guts...real guts. For a presidential candidate in the USA to be against the Death Sentence takes real guts. (Being anti death penalty in America virtually makes you un-electable as President)
Bush wants to appear as courageous, but is through and through a coward. If in a man to man fight he would be a pathetic wimpering coward.
Frankly I am curious why you think there is no difference between the 2.
Bas Horneman said:
Can it be that "substance" and "style" mean something else to SY?
Maybe he understands substance as flesh and bones and style as non-punk? 😀
till said:
To drift a bit....
That would certainly explain how the Liberals got back in again here. We know Quebec wouldn't vote for them and almost all of Ontario voted PC. Hmmmmmmmm.......................
Sorry, SY. This is a fine example of ignorance. The one started a war and is responsible for the death of some 100k more than the other.
And the one made some 100mrd +, the other some 100mrd - .
Well I suppose Sy means little difference from an American voter point of view. But even then I don't understand.
Non-American deaths are insignificant from a US voter point of view. Even Kerry when spokesman for Vietnam Veterans against the War...spoke only of saving the lives of US men.
I would understand that point of view, but the $$$$ ?
btw. i can´t imagine he will win, and until it happens i will try to keep a little trust and hope. Also i think there are still many american citizens out there who do see things from a better point of view.
I can explain. If you BELIEVE that what Bush is doing is making your country safer...would you not pay any price?
Fact is...Bush's war on Terrorism is a failure. He has created more new terrorists on his own in his 4 years, as has post WW2 American foreign policy in the past 60.
False dichotomy. Neither the 27 year old Bush nor the 27 year old Kerry are running for President today.
The SY Presidential Scorecard
War on Terrorism
Bush: I have a secret plan.
Kerry: I have a secret plan that also involves bribing the French.
SY: It's a tie.
War on Iraq
Bush: I sincerely believed that Saddam Hussein was a threat and won't admit that I bunged up the war.
Kerry: I sincerely believed that Saddam Hussein was a threat and won't admit I voted for bunging up the war. Or I didn't really mean to vote for war, it just sorta worked out that way.
SY: Slight edge to Kerry because he couldn't do things any worse.
Social Security
Bush: If I close my eyes reaaaal tight, I won't notice it's a Ponzi scheme.
Kerry: If I close my eyes reaaaal tight, I won't notice it's a Ponzi scheme.
SY: A tie.
The Welfare State
Bush: I'll denounce it while expanding it faster than Kerry.
Kerry: I'll embrace it while expanding it faster than Bush
SY: Slight edge to Bush who at least has the good manners to blush and stammer when he lies.
The War on Drugs
Bush: It's not working, so let's expand it.
Kerry: It's not working and I can expand it faster than Bush.
SY: Another tie.
Obligations
Bush: I'm in the hands of the large manufacturing sector and the oil industry.
Kerry: I'm in the hands of the entertainment/media industry, lawyers, and public sector unions.
SY: Slight edge to Bush just because I personally have more problems with lawyers than with US Steel.
Gay Marriage
Bush: This is an important issue worthy of lots of discussion and debate.
Kerry: This is an important issue worthy of lots of discussion and debate.
SY: Zzzzzzzzz......
Background
Bush: Child of privilege, rich and socially-connected New England Brahmin family. Sent to the finest prep schools and then Yale. Tapped for Socially-Correct in-groups.
Kerry: Child of privilege, rich and socially-connected New England Brahmin family. Sent to the finest prep schools and then Yale. Tapped for Socially-Correct in-groups.
SY: Gotta score that one a tie. A school tie.
Experience
Bush: Coke-sniffing drunk and failed businessman.
Kerry: US Senator.
SY: A tie.
Abortion
Bush: Can we change the subject, please?
Kerry: I think that it would be dangerous to not allow doctors to suck out the brains of a baby during labor. Now can we change the subject, please?
SY: Sorry, I'm busy puking right now.
Education
Bush: It's working. We need to throw more money at it.
Kerry: It's not working. We need to throw more money at it.
SY: I dont now wut that edukashin stuf is nohow.
I dont see it as a failure, atleast he stood up and created it. I see the war in Iraq the big failure, which has in turn created more terrorisim, but limited.
Trev🙂
Kelticwizard...here is a dutch poll for you..
76,6 percent of the dutch population would vote for Kerry. (If they could)
Only 36% think that he will win though.
Asked why the y would rather vote for Kerry.. the answer was :
(betrouwbaarder, overtuigender, intelligenter en sympathieker.)
More trustworthy, more convincing, smarter and more amicable than Bush.
76,6 percent of the dutch population would vote for Kerry. (If they could)
Only 36% think that he will win though.
Asked why the y would rather vote for Kerry.. the answer was :
(betrouwbaarder, overtuigender, intelligenter en sympathieker.)
More trustworthy, more convincing, smarter and more amicable than Bush.
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