Re Prometheus Rising. I think I know who is the thinker and who is the prover. But I can't prove it.
SY, that'll be the problem of living in a country where you can't get a decent pint of mild then.
Call to arms.
jleaman, if you will do the cables, please add a few words about them in the wiki. See link in my signature.
Somebody else should write a few words about the burn-in procedure.
IMHO if the wiki is kept simple it's good. Doesn't have to be fancy, just straight descriptions of what's needed.
jleaman, if you will do the cables, please add a few words about them in the wiki. See link in my signature.
Somebody else should write a few words about the burn-in procedure.
IMHO if the wiki is kept simple it's good. Doesn't have to be fancy, just straight descriptions of what's needed.
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Sure, just took on a contract with Neutrik, ordered a few doezen of these,
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That is why at least 10 correct picks in a row is generally accepted as placing the statistical probability of guessing below reasonable doubt. It's been done this way for quite some time now.
There is a reason why the methods of blind and double blind tests have been well established. It precisely to avoid all the bicker and discussion traded over the last 15 pages here. It's all been argued and hashed to death many times before. Blind, DBT, and ABX testing methods exist as they are for a reason. - To avoid all this mess.
How often could you flip a coin and get three or four heads in a row? Being fair and objective isn't as easy as you make it seem.
That is why an A/B test is randomized between each round, and carried out until 10 correct answers within 16 tries (or better) occurs.
Several people here need to Google more about this. It's all been debated and done thousands of times before. It's standard, cut and dried because of protracted debates about odds and probabilities such as this.
X2.
Do it right, or don't do it.
If the cables are IDENTICAL except for half burned in and half not, how do we know he doesn't just switch the labels around to his benefit?
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X3. I also feel ridiculous for participating, but it's a good way to pass some time without confronting 'cabin fever' directly, uh....at least until the snow crushes this dump.
Why? I find it a lot more ridiculous to read and participate in a 70-page debate about this topic without moving one finger to prove either side.
If you knew how little I care if the result is either or. But that's not the point. I guarantee you this: if we manage to get the test done properly, no matter what the result will be, years later people will still read about the test, and not the 70 pages of worthless chatter. That, to me, is a real winner.
If you knew how little I care if the result is either or. But that's not the point. I guarantee you this: if we manage to get the test done properly, no matter what the result will be, years later people will still read about the test, and not the 70 pages of worthless chatter. That, to me, is a real winner.
Oh, ****! I forgot to get photos of those Kobiconns. Sorry, was an unusually busy day today.
Ah well, at least there shouldn't be any bitching about the Neutriks as there might have been with the Kobiconns.
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Oatmeal - you're making about as much sense to me as a bowl of oatmeal.
Do you really not understand this simple test?
Do you really not understand this simple test?
IKO - I didn't want to edit the wiki, but should we really have 2 categories? New, burned-in and "Not Sure"? The not sure category confuses the test for me.
Thoughts?
Thoughts?
Good point, I had to think about this for a bit when I first wrote just two classes.
To be honest I don't know, just thought about covering all possibilities in stage 2 of the test. Given a number of cables and two classes, new and burned-in, it is conceivable that some of the cables would be perceived as surely new, others as surely burned-in, but others as neither.
Perhaps Andre can testify if he ever had this experience, where he just couldn't tell whether a cable was new or burned-in? Anybody else?
John, what would you say? Just new and burned? Or also not sure?
To be honest I don't know, just thought about covering all possibilities in stage 2 of the test. Given a number of cables and two classes, new and burned-in, it is conceivable that some of the cables would be perceived as surely new, others as surely burned-in, but others as neither.
Perhaps Andre can testify if he ever had this experience, where he just couldn't tell whether a cable was new or burned-in? Anybody else?
John, what would you say? Just new and burned? Or also not sure?
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Starting with you. Try actually READING the suggested protocol. Moving labels around can't help a bit. And the "half" part is also not necessarily true.
Read before reacting.
Why does his opinion matter? He already ran away. Clearly, he doesn't believe that he can actually hear these differences if he doesn't peek, whether he admits that in public or not.
Oatmeal makes alot of sense! It's healthy and really tasty with milk and brown sugar.
And the other Oatmeal - is IMO the most level-headed rational person on this topic, every time he/she posts.
And the other Oatmeal - is IMO the most level-headed rational person on this topic, every time he/she posts.
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I vote 0.0009765625
10 independent trials, each right guess at 0.5 probability.
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