Hi guys, i need your advice....i recently build a pair of speakers using a pair of 4" focal car coaxial speakers, but the results were a bit dissapointing...
So i am at the quest of building a pair of sensitive speakers, that will be driven by a Chinese Tripath amplifier, giving about 2x20WRMS at 4ohms...i consider buyng from Madisound.com ... i want to spent maximum 100euros.. so any advice is welcome!.. i am thinking of using a pair of 4" Full Range speakers, as Fostex FE127E 4.5" Full Range Shielded or the Fostex FF165K 6.5" Full Range
I dont want a too big box so maybe a vented solution is ideal.
I am mostly interested in melodic reproduction, and i dont care so much about bass.. i listen too much rock, metal and Greek folclore music that uses guitars etc..
another solution i consider is using a Peerless SLS 830945, 5¼" Woofer or a Hi-Vi F5 Kevlar/Paper Cone 5.5" Woofer coupled with a tweeter as a Hi-Vi TN28, 1" Top Mount Fabric Dome Tweeter.
any other suggestions?.. 🙂
So i am at the quest of building a pair of sensitive speakers, that will be driven by a Chinese Tripath amplifier, giving about 2x20WRMS at 4ohms...i consider buyng from Madisound.com ... i want to spent maximum 100euros.. so any advice is welcome!.. i am thinking of using a pair of 4" Full Range speakers, as Fostex FE127E 4.5" Full Range Shielded or the Fostex FF165K 6.5" Full Range
I dont want a too big box so maybe a vented solution is ideal.
I am mostly interested in melodic reproduction, and i dont care so much about bass.. i listen too much rock, metal and Greek folclore music that uses guitars etc..
another solution i consider is using a Peerless SLS 830945, 5¼" Woofer or a Hi-Vi F5 Kevlar/Paper Cone 5.5" Woofer coupled with a tweeter as a Hi-Vi TN28, 1" Top Mount Fabric Dome Tweeter.
any other suggestions?.. 🙂
FE127e, at least once fully tricked out, is my favorite. The Fonken & mFonken are 2 smallish boxes for it.
http://www.planet10-hifi.com/fonken.html
The big amp i use with mine is 20W. The better amp is 4W.
dave
http://www.planet10-hifi.com/fonken.html
The big amp i use with mine is 20W. The better amp is 4W.
dave
The "Overnight Sensations" also looks great..what is your oppinion?
http://undefinition.googlepages.com/diy-overnightsensations
http://undefinition.googlepages.com/diy-overnightsensations
sifis_samos said:
There is a reason i like full-ranges, i believe XOs are "evil".... and on a budget, 1 driver vrs 2 + XO, you get finesse vrs brute force. The 2-way will go higher & lower, but not that much, and the FR will do mids better.
dave
anyother options, perhaps slightly bigger than microFonken?
I ask because these speakers may be used in the future in my sitting room so a so small spewaker might be too small..
I ask because these speakers may be used in the future in my sitting room so a so small spewaker might be too small..
sifis_samos said:
Those are actually milliFonken (4.5 litre) . the uFonken are smaller (2 litre). I've yet to draw them up yet, but both centiFonken (~7 litre) and deciFonken (~10 litre) are in the queue. The FonkenPrime (13 litre) is the granddaddy of all of these and still our reference for everything.
An externally hosted image should be here but it was not working when we last tested it.
dave
hmm...the Fonken (Fostex FE127eN) looks very attractive and doable actualy...at a first glance seems a bit confusing but it certainly looks great..how about performance?..i mean by your experience, how does it sound?..colouring as tube or more to solid state sound?
just a quick silly question..Fostex FE127E is the same with Fostex FE127eN ? Because at madisound.com i can find only Fostex FE127E for $42.70 ...
also are we talking for the same think: http://homepage.mac.com/tlinespeakers/FAL/box-plans/Fonken-1v01a-map.pdf ..
do i need any kind of crossover for this project?
an external tweeter as Hi-Vi TN28, will it help at higher frequencies at all?..perhaps crossed high up to 7-8k..
ending, is it worth getting the Fostex FE108E∑ for the same project or not?..
or would it make a big diference if i use a different speaker other than the Fostex?..i am asking because its is very dificult to buy fostex speakers in Greece and i have to order them from USA (About 50euros shipping).. i can easier find Audax, Scanpeak,Visaton, Peerless...
also are we talking for the same think: http://homepage.mac.com/tlinespeakers/FAL/box-plans/Fonken-1v01a-map.pdf ..
do i need any kind of crossover for this project?
an external tweeter as Hi-Vi TN28, will it help at higher frequencies at all?..perhaps crossed high up to 7-8k..
ending, is it worth getting the Fostex FE108E∑ for the same project or not?..
or would it make a big diference if i use a different speaker other than the Fostex?..i am asking because its is very dificult to buy fostex speakers in Greece and i have to order them from USA (About 50euros shipping).. i can easier find Audax, Scanpeak,Visaton, Peerless...
sifis_samos said:
We like it a lot. A common phrase around here as we try new driver or box is "its good, but it isn't a Fonken". Quite a few have been built so there are less biased opinions 🙂
Yes, same box. Slightly changed since i did this illustrative visualization.
They really like tube amps & higher output impedance SS amps (some say the FirstWatt F2 is a perfect amp for them, we haven't built ours yet.
They certainly aren't sterile as one often associates with SS.
Note that my comments always need to take into account that mine have FE127eN ... those are the FE127e that i take & transform to a whole new level of performance. (all the info is availaible to diy the driver mods as well)
http://www.planet10-hifi.com/FE12xeN.html
Martin King's TQWT is fairly amazing with these small full range speakers... really great for small scale music (quartets, etc...) in small rooms, or larger rooms with low background noise and listening not really loud like a "big" system. Imho, of course.
_-_-bear
_-_-bear
please help me understand something, i ve never listened to a full range system before, so i want to be shure for what i will build.
i want to understand about how it will sound.. the best setupo i've heard is a pair of Magnepans MG3,6 paired with a Krell amp and ok ok i was just shocked by the clarity and the HUGE image!!!..also i have experience with ELAC, MBQuart and B&W 6xx series...
I will tell u what i want..i love BIG image.i love fast dynamics with clear sharp-accurate sound, not at high levels of course!.i hate deep bass but i love stiff quick-accurate mid bass.. i listen too much clasic rock, heavy-epic metal etc..i dont care about ultra high SPLs..
Since now my main speakers are a self made pair of sealed speakers, using 1x6" tonsil woofer, and one Tonsil cone tweeter using a very simple 1st class crossover only for the tweeter..the result is very pleasing at low SPLs but at slightly higher sound levels quality is GONE...
If filnaly i decide to build these speakers (Fonkens) i will not use the original Fostex ones but certainly i will buy them from planet10, as the cost for the cabin is absolutely free as my best friend is a carpenter and he can give me whatever kind of wood i need for totaly free! So the money suposed to go for the cabin i will give them for the better speaker..
Please tell me, i like very much smooth high freq reproduction.so do you thing that a supertweeter as the Hi-Vi TN28 crossed to work from 10K and up,placed externaly from the box,will it help?
i want to understand about how it will sound.. the best setupo i've heard is a pair of Magnepans MG3,6 paired with a Krell amp and ok ok i was just shocked by the clarity and the HUGE image!!!..also i have experience with ELAC, MBQuart and B&W 6xx series...
I will tell u what i want..i love BIG image.i love fast dynamics with clear sharp-accurate sound, not at high levels of course!.i hate deep bass but i love stiff quick-accurate mid bass.. i listen too much clasic rock, heavy-epic metal etc..i dont care about ultra high SPLs..
Since now my main speakers are a self made pair of sealed speakers, using 1x6" tonsil woofer, and one Tonsil cone tweeter using a very simple 1st class crossover only for the tweeter..the result is very pleasing at low SPLs but at slightly higher sound levels quality is GONE...
If filnaly i decide to build these speakers (Fonkens) i will not use the original Fostex ones but certainly i will buy them from planet10, as the cost for the cabin is absolutely free as my best friend is a carpenter and he can give me whatever kind of wood i need for totaly free! So the money suposed to go for the cabin i will give them for the better speaker..
Please tell me, i like very much smooth high freq reproduction.so do you thing that a supertweeter as the Hi-Vi TN28 crossed to work from 10K and up,placed externaly from the box,will it help?
If you use an external tweeter you are asking for troubles... it is possible that it may sound ok, but there are so many issues with this sort of thing... phase, lobing, beaming, polar response, etc...
No matter what you do with a small driver there are practical limitations as far as freq resp and SPL.
Similar benefits that folks get from small "full range" drivers can be had from full range ESLs and from various coaxial drivers to a greater or lesser extent.
A whole lot of what you get out of any system depends on the electronics you put in front of the speaker. A system that I would consider "unlistenable" using amplifier "X" might be quite satisfying using completely different amplifier "Y"... put it another way, it is not so easy to get a speaker to make any given amplifier sound "good", nor is it easy to get an amplifier that will make any given speaker sound "good".
_-_-bear
No matter what you do with a small driver there are practical limitations as far as freq resp and SPL.
Similar benefits that folks get from small "full range" drivers can be had from full range ESLs and from various coaxial drivers to a greater or lesser extent.
A whole lot of what you get out of any system depends on the electronics you put in front of the speaker. A system that I would consider "unlistenable" using amplifier "X" might be quite satisfying using completely different amplifier "Y"... put it another way, it is not so easy to get a speaker to make any given amplifier sound "good", nor is it easy to get an amplifier that will make any given speaker sound "good".
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