I bumped into this website many times but I cannot find any informations about any of their speakers, they have such a wide choice, it's weird no one wrote anything about any of them. Am I mistaken? Do you have experience with their speakers? That'd be convenient, as Germany is right next door to me.[/QUOTE]
Both are really new, so no feedback is expected so far. Although they look good in a theoretical view!
Both are really new, so no feedback is expected so far. Although they look good in a theoretical view!
These truly look amazing! Though a bit too expensive, but exactly what I'd be looking for.
I'm still looking at my options, I'm unable to make a choice due to the sheer volume of possibilities and recommendations. I'm tempted by a lot of things but it always raises more questions than it answers...
first set up your overall requirements: bass, loudness, design, price etc.
then set up a table with pros and cons for three different solutions
- simple, cheap (2-way passive)
- complex, expensive (3-way active)
- something between (sub+top?)
then set up a table with pros and cons for three different solutions
- simple, cheap (2-way passive)
- complex, expensive (3-way active)
- something between (sub+top?)
I don't understand these divisions. I don't know how it happened to the matter to be treated in this way.
I understand that every day there's a thread starting with requests for guidelines about speaker building and some basic schemes must be selected but, pardon me, I cannot conceive 'complex' and 'expensive'...
Ah ah a 15/18" in corner of a room... Two speakers of that size in the corners of a room.
No, wait....
Two horns in the corners! Probably above a 10" mid bass, as suggested.
Crazy...
Is this ironic?
Requirements:
* Detailed, deep bass capabilities
* I don't care about loudness, I just want them to be excellent low level performers. Of course, a huge speaker will be able to go loud, but that's not what I *need* or *want*
* As I said, I like big speakers, La Scalas, Cornwalls, JBL 4350, etc. I like them aesthetically, I know a 4350 won't fit my room.
* Price : Between 1500$ – 2500$, I want a reference system that I can keep for a loooong time and that will accompany me as I move and change appartments.
* Complexity : I really do think an active 15" woofer and a passive midwoofer/tweeter would work in my current room. I'm still considering The-Loudspeaker-III. But perhaps there's something else.
I don't care about complex designs, I have access to a CNC, a professional woodworker for assembly, I have the required knowledge in soldering and assembling speaker parts. I don't care if it takes me two full weeks to put them together. I'm not afraid to fail, because I can also re-do the parts I failed.
I just want the very best speakers 1500 - 2500$ can get me, so I don't feel like I should have spent more on them. That'd be terrible!
I am not sure what you don’t understand.
Troels Graven the loudspeaker = complex/expensive: tons of high-end parts, difficult cabinet build, lots of parameter tuning. But may be really good if succeed but also high risk of failure.
Econowave = simple, cheap: two-way passive in a traditional box. Easy to build but maybe some limitation in performance. Compromise based on required, lower expectations.
Something between = the TG Faital 3-way. The perfect middle-way?
The problem is that "best" is a subjective opinion but with your requirements its more clear what you are looking for.
It sounds like your interested in going the full road here, so I am sure the projects you have found will meet your needs. Perhaps you should go full active dsp but with the same driver components and cabinet. A DSP amp is probably cheaper than the Janzen crossover parts.
Oh, that's an idea. Basically, I'd build the speaker exactly like Gravesen advises, but replaces his super-expensive crossover with a full DSP system?
Wouldn't that mean I'll need a 6-channel amp? And an expensive system to get as good a sound I would have gotten if I had gone the passive crossover road?
Bass amplifiers with DSP and variable crossover frequencies are probably cheaper now that passive components. Was amplification part of the cost requirement of $700- or less?
You could do worse that the old fashioned way with a 12" woofer/ 4" midrange and a 1" dome tweeter. Naturally the mid could be any size between the 6" of Paul Carmodies Tarkus and 4inches
Another option in such a small room is the Classic from Troels
SEAS-3-Way-Classic-mkII
but taking it as inspiration and building along the same lines
Bi-amping can mean fewer components needed in the tops and even cheap units like the Behringer can work, the older model works very well in my own system.
Behringer | Product | CX2310 V2
Cheap enough when you cost out good high value low DCR coils and amplifiers are cheap enough in the middle of the range.
If you want multi channel amplifiers look for older home theatre power amps, sometimes those go for peanut money, I got an 8Channel Rotel last year for a crate of beer
You could do worse that the old fashioned way with a 12" woofer/ 4" midrange and a 1" dome tweeter. Naturally the mid could be any size between the 6" of Paul Carmodies Tarkus and 4inches
Another option in such a small room is the Classic from Troels
SEAS-3-Way-Classic-mkII
but taking it as inspiration and building along the same lines
Bi-amping can mean fewer components needed in the tops and even cheap units like the Behringer can work, the older model works very well in my own system.
Behringer | Product | CX2310 V2
Cheap enough when you cost out good high value low DCR coils and amplifiers are cheap enough in the middle of the range.
If you want multi channel amplifiers look for older home theatre power amps, sometimes those go for peanut money, I got an 8Channel Rotel last year for a crate of beer
I was thinking more in the line of the Faital 3-way but replace the crossovers with active DSP; you would need 3 stereo amps (or as hinted above an old Rotel surround multichannel) and a miniDSP of some sorts and a prepamp for volume control and input selector.
Or another option is 3 Crown XLS DriveCore units with inbuilt DSP. Of course it will be more expensive but you dont have to think about amps afterwards.
You could also have the top 2-way passive so you only need 4 channel DSP.
Just a suggestion to think about.
You could probably ask Troels team for advice how to make a fully active system of one of their designs. Or cheaper passive components 🙂
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Just a quick FWIW that while those Crown amps have some DSP, I believe that's only available for crossover slopes: you cannot add EQ.
Chris
Chris
I'm planning to build one. Attached my current progress and here is a dutch website: Een Klipsch Cornwall wordt een stoere Klonwall zelfbouw luidspreker
And about the Klang+Ton article: zoekt en gij zult vinden 🙂
How about the Thurston-
At least there are some sound demo's.
Thurston 3-ways Speaker Demo Money for Nothing - YouTube
Thurston 3-ways Speaker Demo Eva Cassidy Fever - YouTube
Thurston 3-ways Build Thread XT25 Peerless 5.25" TangBand W6-1139SIF
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171220/fbe5ea68bc813e01da9ffbc445d19cc8.jpg
==> The C5 on the woofer says 82180ufd (?????) Is that correct?
.85 cu ft + mid sealed .07 cu ft= .92 cu ft
30" h x 8" w X 10"d (.75 material) = .91 cu ft
Woofer BoxWizard | Rockford Fosgate (R)
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At least there are some sound demo's.
Thurston 3-ways Speaker Demo Money for Nothing - YouTube
Thurston 3-ways Speaker Demo Eva Cassidy Fever - YouTube
Thurston 3-ways Build Thread XT25 Peerless 5.25" TangBand W6-1139SIF
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171220/fbe5ea68bc813e01da9ffbc445d19cc8.jpg
==> The C5 on the woofer says 82180ufd (?????) Is that correct?
.85 cu ft + mid sealed .07 cu ft= .92 cu ft
30" h x 8" w X 10"d (.75 material) = .91 cu ft
Woofer BoxWizard | Rockford Fosgate (R)
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Here's 2 speakers-they might be over budget
Hi-End and Hi-Eff loudspeakers system
Hi-End and Hi-Eff loudspeakers system 2
Hi-End and Hi-Eff loudspeakers system
Hi-End and Hi-Eff loudspeakers system 2