Hello
I also did an ordering mistake...
I got R17 and R18 at 0.15Ω 5W instead of 0.1Ω 5W
Is it ok to keep?
Thanks in advance
Theodore
I also did an ordering mistake...
I got R17 and R18 at 0.15Ω 5W instead of 0.1Ω 5W
Is it ok to keep?
Thanks in advance
Theodore
I'd say you will probably be OK, but take note that the way to tell quiescent current through the output devices by measuring the voltage drop across these resistors changes.
With 0.1R: 1mV = 10mA so aim for 30-40mV across the resistor.
With 0.15R: 1mV = 7.5mA so aim for 40-53mV across(corresponding to 300-400mA quiescent).
U=I*R so I=U/R. Volts, Amps and Ohms.
The resistors will also dissipate more heat, hopefully still within safety margins. Also depends if you intend to play full blast for hours on end.
Take everything i say as pure guesses, i have only minutes of experience with my own Fetzilla so far.
Good luck!
Kris
With 0.1R: 1mV = 10mA so aim for 30-40mV across the resistor.
With 0.15R: 1mV = 7.5mA so aim for 40-53mV across(corresponding to 300-400mA quiescent).
U=I*R so I=U/R. Volts, Amps and Ohms.
The resistors will also dissipate more heat, hopefully still within safety margins. Also depends if you intend to play full blast for hours on end.
Take everything i say as pure guesses, i have only minutes of experience with my own Fetzilla so far.
Good luck!
Kris
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These were my thoughts too, I needed a 2nd opinion.
Thanks a lot and happy listening to your Fetzilla.
Thanks a lot and happy listening to your Fetzilla.
Hi again
Any tips for soldering the sot 223 VAS? (i don't have experience with smd)
Thanks in advance
Theodore
Any tips for soldering the sot 223 VAS? (i don't have experience with smd)
Thanks in advance
Theodore
Pre-solder the pad for the tab.
Place the 223 in position.
Heat the pad not the sot223 tab.
The heat will eventually melt the solder under the tab and the Thermal connection is then made, without overheating the 223.
Let it cool a bit and then solder the small pads/pins.
You could solder the small pads/pins before the final soldering of the tab.
The slight disadvantage of this order is that a thick layer of pre-solder lifts the 223 up at an angle and that angle remains while the small pads/pins are soldered.
Then when the Tab is soldered the 223 falls down to it's correct angle straining the pins. These should then be re-heated to sit them flat.
Place the 223 in position.
Heat the pad not the sot223 tab.
The heat will eventually melt the solder under the tab and the Thermal connection is then made, without overheating the 223.
Let it cool a bit and then solder the small pads/pins.
You could solder the small pads/pins before the final soldering of the tab.
The slight disadvantage of this order is that a thick layer of pre-solder lifts the 223 up at an angle and that angle remains while the small pads/pins are soldered.
Then when the Tab is soldered the 223 falls down to it's correct angle straining the pins. These should then be re-heated to sit them flat.
The way i soldered the SMD VAS was i "tack soldered" with one of the small pins first while keeping the package pressed down and in position. I used a very small amount of solder on the pad. Remove the solder pen and keep holding it in position for a few seconds. Then i soldered the larger tab, trying to get it to flow nicely under the package but i think i chickened out as you shouldn't keep heat applied for very long with semis. Then i soldered the smaller pins. In the end i was pleased with the results.
Hello
After having assempled my fist fetzilla channel i have some problem adjusting the offset.
I can't get it lower than -600mV.
The R12 Voltage is 24 V
I adjusted the bias to about 38mV on R17 and R18
What could be the problem?
After having assempled my fist fetzilla channel i have some problem adjusting the offset.
I can't get it lower than -600mV.
The R12 Voltage is 24 V
I adjusted the bias to about 38mV on R17 and R18
What could be the problem?
resistor values.
The FETZilla uses exclusively FET devices.
The manufacturing tolerances of FET is decades worse than what we find with BJTs.
The effect of this is that currents can be very far away from what the designer has assumed at the voltages applied to the various nodes.
The only way to overcome this is to experiment with resistor values to get the node voltages and currents back to what the designer intended plus or minus a tolerance.
Don't go guessing, Try to work through from known points where tolerance has not upset the expected values.
In the first one I built up I had to change (I think but not sure, it was a couple of years ago) 4 resistor values. I posted a sch for the NFetZilla with the adjusted resistor values. That might give a clue to what I had to change.
The FETZilla uses exclusively FET devices.
The manufacturing tolerances of FET is decades worse than what we find with BJTs.
The effect of this is that currents can be very far away from what the designer has assumed at the voltages applied to the various nodes.
The only way to overcome this is to experiment with resistor values to get the node voltages and currents back to what the designer intended plus or minus a tolerance.
Don't go guessing, Try to work through from known points where tolerance has not upset the expected values.
In the first one I built up I had to change (I think but not sure, it was a couple of years ago) 4 resistor values. I posted a sch for the NFetZilla with the adjusted resistor values. That might give a clue to what I had to change.
Hello
After having assempled my fist fetzilla channel i have some problem adjusting the offset.
I can't get it lower than -600mV.
The R12 Voltage is 24 V
I adjusted the bias to about 38mV on R17 and R18
What could be the problem?
Did you short the input?
Did you short the input?
Yes i tested everything with the input shorted.
Thanks Andrew for your response.
I admit that i'm not experienced with circuit analysis and troubleshooting so I did the following:
Assembled the second channel (this works as expected) and adjusted according to instructions (no problems).
I compared (measured off line) all resistors of both channels (except those that cannot be measured in circuit due to near by capacitors) and found they are almost identical.
What troubles me is that I measured the voltage (referenced to earth) near the gate of 2sk170 (just before r6):
The working channel has "gate voltage" about 3.04V and offset at output near 0 (+-10mV). (R12 is adjusted at 24V, and bias at 37mV)
In order to adjust the non working channel i need to have more "gate voltage" and then i run out of P2 range, having 3.26V near the gate and the best offset at the output is around -630 mV (again R12 is adjusted at 24V, and bias at 37mV)
Do you have any more suggestions on what to measure so that i can troubleshoot the problem?
Is there a possibility that there is a failure of an active component?
Thanks in advance for you time and guidance
regards
Theodore
I admit that i'm not experienced with circuit analysis and troubleshooting so I did the following:
Assembled the second channel (this works as expected) and adjusted according to instructions (no problems).
I compared (measured off line) all resistors of both channels (except those that cannot be measured in circuit due to near by capacitors) and found they are almost identical.
What troubles me is that I measured the voltage (referenced to earth) near the gate of 2sk170 (just before r6):
The working channel has "gate voltage" about 3.04V and offset at output near 0 (+-10mV). (R12 is adjusted at 24V, and bias at 37mV)
In order to adjust the non working channel i need to have more "gate voltage" and then i run out of P2 range, having 3.26V near the gate and the best offset at the output is around -630 mV (again R12 is adjusted at 24V, and bias at 37mV)
Do you have any more suggestions on what to measure so that i can troubleshoot the problem?
Is there a possibility that there is a failure of an active component?
Thanks in advance for you time and guidance
regards
Theodore
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Have a look at the LED voltages that bias the FET.
I found that two LEDs rarely have sufficient voltage to do the biasing job.
If you looked at NFetZilla you would have seen three LEDs.
I found that two LEDs rarely have sufficient voltage to do the biasing job.
If you looked at NFetZilla you would have seen three LEDs.
I followed your advice and connected another led in series with the green one and voila!
Now i can adjust the offset near zero!
Im', listening to nice music with my test speakers for an hour or so...
Is it ok to leave it this way?
Now i can adjust the offset near zero!
Im', listening to nice music with my test speakers for an hour or so...
Is it ok to leave it this way?
Thanks to Andrew, Kris, and particularly Patrick for helping Theodore and other constructors to get their FetZilla up and running........
I'm somewhat ashamed that I don't help much, but to be honest my energies are limited by my health and I have to concentrate on sales and supporting my NAKSA modules, which take most of my time these days.....
Cheers,
Hugh
I'm somewhat ashamed that I don't help much, but to be honest my energies are limited by my health and I have to concentrate on sales and supporting my NAKSA modules, which take most of my time these days.....
Cheers,
Hugh
Andrew, you have given me bad flak before,but allways witth good intention, but your experience is suprbbbb. Thanks for your contributions. I will have a decent Scottish whiskey on you tonight.
This could be a Forum where every Member is only allowed to post "congratulatory" comments.
That would make this a totally useless DIY Forum.
We need constructive criticism.
We only need "thanks" to make us feel good.
That would make this a totally useless DIY Forum.
We need constructive criticism.
We only need "thanks" to make us feel good.
Andrew,
You have a negative sociability index.
Cool down, we are people, not robots!
Thank you nonetheless.......
Hugh
You have a negative sociability index.
Cool down, we are people, not robots!
Thank you nonetheless.......
Hugh
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