But it was only a few years away from 70's South Fla., and it would arrive with middle-school vulgarity and the apparent inability to play musical instruments. However much I despised it, 2 Live Crew's rapping about Miami's genitalia did help me scrape up a living installing subwoofers in big sedans.
Come on, we know you were a closet ABBA fan! 😀
She does very well. It is a very different flow than other music but it helps when you can sing as well
.Did anyone notice:
The great show "Atlanta" is about (and makes fun of) Rap.
But when the plot becomes wholehearted, they use Jazz for the soundtrack...
Alice Coltrane´s "Turiya and Ramakrishna" or Keith Jarrett´s "The Rich (And the Poor)"
The great show "Atlanta" is about (and makes fun of) Rap.
But when the plot becomes wholehearted, they use Jazz for the soundtrack...
Alice Coltrane´s "Turiya and Ramakrishna" or Keith Jarrett´s "The Rich (And the Poor)"
Some of my introduction to classical was several ELP rock versions of classical works, as well as a few other things in pop music. ELO's "Roll Over Beethoven" had some direct ripoffs of the 5th Symphony.
The software is named Autotune, originally to fix off-pitch vocal performances, but if you crank up the parameters and mix the tuned voice with the original, you get that phasey robot-sounding voice. Cher's song "Believe" famously used it and became so popular it was called the Cher Effect for quite a few years. Nowadays it's just the "ordinary sound" of pop music, and used on just about every modern R&B vocal.
I remember that one. There's also a different song of the same title that's a bluegrass standard. Oddly, it was originally recorded by Manfred Man, and the production sounds a lot like his "Mighty Quinn" from the same time period, but I would never have guessed it was from Manfred Mann having only heard the bluegrass version.
It was the ELP concert tour after their first album and the hit Lucky Man that I saw Keith Emerson do some odd things to a Hammond organ and a big old style Moog Modular synth. I have been infatuated with synthesizers ever since, and am now halfway through building a modular with some of the usual DIY Eurorack stuff, some complete Behringer synths, and some modules of my own design. I would see ELP again on the Brain Salad Surgery tour. I had most of their albums, but wouldn't put them in the same league as early Genesis, Yes and others.
Don't forget their "love" for the south Florida police. One song featured few intelligible words, but "F%&# the police" was clearly heard many times during their rant. The sheriff of Broward county Florida (where I lived) made it his personal mission to arrest one or all of them every time they did a show in Ft. Lauderdale......For unknown reasons 2 Live Crew music started coming out of the Broward Sheriff's Office police dispatch radio system, and when you ran the radio ID of the perpetrator, Sheriff Nick Navarro's name showed up. Someone had managed to "clone" his radio. This could have only come from within BSO or Motorola. Only about 5 people inside Motorola's Broward county complex (where I worked) had assess to the radio programming system (it's in Chicago), so it was likely someone inside BSO.
This means that you must know about the inertia shutdown switch in the old Ford Crown Vic's and just where to place the large brick, or jumper wire.
I guess I incorrectly used the words "disco queen" I should have said "Dancing Queen." Yes, I heard that noise far too often.
Often I equate a certain song with memories associated with past experiences involving that song.
Lucky Man almost always conjures up the memory of the concert at a long gone amusement park called Pirates World where I was in the cable bucket car nearly over the stage when the rid malfunctioned leaving us in the best place in the whole park to watch Keith tickle the insides of a Hammond.
Anything from Tull's first two albums brings back memories of a drug infested concert at the University of Miami.
Aqualung was my test tape for nearly a year when I was a repair tech at an Olson's Electronics store, so I can't stand that album or most of what came after it.
Likewise Sammy Haggar's I Can't Drive 55 brings up the speeding ticket I got when I heard the song, and dropped the hammer.
I used to blast this song about street racing, out of the very loud stereo in my crappy Dodge even when ever I raced anyone, even if I was on a legal drag strip.
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I know you must have been kidding heavily 😀! Abba also is a no go for me, 'cause I never was a popper.
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I agree with your second para, and wonder how much nasty distortion is also included because of the limitations of the equipment, and also it must converge the tonal character of the voices thus losing uniqueness. I also agree with wg_ski on the similarity of vocals.
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Yes that can be difficult. I grew up with radio music, there was almost always a radio or TV on in my house, so I got the Pop Rock thing back in the 60s and 70s, was there for the Beatles and Stones, then later for Disco and Trance... but somehow just couldn't push past the early 1990s.
I used to wonder if that was just me becoming an old fart or if there was some other reason. I mean really ... the newest stuff I usually listen to is like 40 years old???
There are some technical reasons why new music is grating and hard to bear... Most of it is compressed within an inch of destruction. Almost all of it is quantized, autotuned, retimed, equalized, compressed and mixed into what amounts to a generic porridge of noise. The life --the human factor-- is gone, it is mechanically precise... but that isn't really what music is about, is it?
Music, the real thing, is about groups of people getting together to play and have fun. The tempo, varies throughout a song. One or two musicians get just a hair early or late on a few notes. The brass section misses a note or two. The singer is off pitch on a couple of words. The drummer drops a stick. This is what makes music fun, the fact that other people have put themselves front and centre to both enjoy and play music for us. It is the human factor that gives it life.
I think the big reason why I left off when I did was that production quality took a real hard nosedive as music moved from entertainment to profit motives. Flip around the playlists of new songs on a streaming service. Notice how they all sound the same? Loud, blaring, devoid of life...
The irony of all this is that when vinyl was the only real source we had, engineers would strive to improve dynamic range and frequency limits to include a better rendering of a performance, then along came CDs, a medium with far greater dynamic range and frequency response, so they compressed the heck out of everything and cranked up the bass... setting off a loudness war.
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An interesting reversal came about with autotune, whether it's coincidence or causation I'm not sure. Where the goal was to catch a session or performance now most music is a singer, a sampler and a drum machine there really is no live performance to capture. So, now the stage performance tries to mimic the final mix, instead of the other way around.
How bad has it gotten? ... YouTube
Hard to believe they could fix that in real time!
Rap is 3/4 of Crap.
The comparison is not between classical music and rap...
It is between a group of people working together to plan, rehearse and produce an evening of complex, nuanced and deeply moving entertainment --and-- warrior Gronk touting his grand adventures around the fire at the mouth of a long forgotten cave.
Seriously, the only way I can describe Rap is "Urban Poetry" ... cause it ain't music.
I enjoy listening to all kinds of music... rock, pop, classic, jazz, r&b, western ... but somehow I just can't bear this new chanting crap.
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Where on earth do you get the sense of rap as poetic? Just because a few liberal arts academics say so?
Sorry about the embedding in the previous post, I though the software would separate my words form yours.
What I hear is anger, the sort you might get in a street confrontation, not very articulate, but very forceful.
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Not just that, when I bought a new digital interface 12 years ago, the people at The Guitar Shop in Brighton said that the most popular music with 18 year old was DSOTM. They too recognise really expressive creativity.
yes, and that producer is called Eric B, who took the samples with his turntables in a scratchdj way. Samplers like we know now did not exist yet, they did it manually, and did it live on concerts. It's a different way of working wich most of you don't understand, but it's the way rap and most urban and electronic music started, and it comes from the Jamaican soundsystem culture where remixing and sampling is normal since the mid 60's (since they had multitracks).
But most of you are so stuck in the white mainstream pop of the 60's untill the 90's that you can't see the art of it. You can't imagine that a turntable or a mixer can be used as instrument, while it's done on a large scale (not only in modern pop or hiphop) for decades. That is why this whole discussion is ********.
If you don't like rap, that is ok, that is your right. I don't like progrock and find those bands that many of you mention here also crap. But realise that your and mine and everybodies view on good music is subjective, and that rap is not somethnig new, it exists in it's most primitive form (the jamaican soundsystem mc's) since the late 40'sn and in it's classicl american form since the early 70's. It's not a hype, it's a decades old artform that inspire millions of people. Maybe not you, but many do rate it very high.
English is a rapidly evolving language. It's biggest strength (and weakness) is that can be moulded as needed. Would you rather we all still spoke like Chaucer? 🙂
Oh definitely not, but as I said, when apostrophes aren't used correctly, spelling is mucked up, and there & their is used incorrectly amongst many other similar sounding words etc. I do despair.
Chaucerian English could also be extremely ribald, in many ways way worse than currently. Language is going change and grow, but please not with basic day to day use.
I write technical reports for a living, and on a daily basis at the University I see people messing up. And it is simply because they cannot be bothered to check what they have written and correct where necessary. The same thing is happening with the spoken language.
But then I am considered to be a hard arsed old bugger by many, because I insist on professionalism in the work place. So be it. People just do not care jack-shite anymore.
Kevin
Chaucerian English could also be extremely ribald, in many ways way worse than currently. Language is going change and grow, but please not with basic day to day use.
I write technical reports for a living, and on a daily basis at the University I see people messing up. And it is simply because they cannot be bothered to check what they have written and correct where necessary. The same thing is happening with the spoken language.
But then I am considered to be a hard arsed old bugger by many, because I insist on professionalism in the work place. So be it. People just do not care jack-shite anymore.
Kevin
The same thing is happening with the spoken language? I beg to differ. If you believe that then you need to get out more often. If you want that to be true you'll need to visit those cloistered segments of the population where it's deliberate and celebrated, not incidental.