Best Clarity CD-R for burning music

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#121
Conversion process will always change the content, and thus change the sound. If the goal is accuracy then stick to the original/native material.

On the subject of Media Centers, good second hand laptops are now so cheap, let's say Thinkpad X series. Connect 1TB USB disk, high quality DAC like EMU 0404 ... and voila...great sound.

Vibration, EMF etc. is not relevant in a digital system. They do not operate like turntables.
 
#125
New Burning Technique

I actually think this could be a separate topic, however it also fits in with this one.

Recently (last Thursday) a member of our Audio Club gave a demo of some of his lastest projects. He is the owner of a SOTA mastering lab, and as such, trys out different methodologies, techniques and gear on a regular basis.

One thing he came up with that relates to burning cd-r's is that after running everything through EAC, ect., he burns the cd-r with a:

Blue Ray Burner

As he's an Anethesialogist in his other life, he took two disks (one done with regular cd burner, the other Blue Ray) with him to work at the U of W Medical Center where he examined both under an electron microscope.

He noted that the Pits burned into the diskwith the Blue Ray burner had very precise, clean edges, while the regular cd burner left ragged, rough edges.

He then played both discs, without mentioning which was which. I can say that they did not sound identical, and as it turned out most (99%) of the members liked the Blue Ray burned disc.

Just to make it clear: the Blue Ray burner was used to burn a regular CD-R , not a Blue Ray Disc!

The B-R burners are somewhat expensive at this time, but evidently have the potential to allow us to turn out even better cds for our audio collection.

Best Regards,
TerryO
 
#127
sandyK said:
TerryO

Very interesting !

Do you have any information regarding the make and model no. of the BluRay writer used ?

SandyK
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Sandy,

I can make an effort to find out, however I got the impression that he just picked up what was available at Fry's (a large discount electronics outlet).
I believe that his cd burner was a Plextor (don't have model number), which is a pretty good burner by all accounts, so the difference was between a very good cd burner and a blue ray burner.

He paid about $250 for the Blue Ray burner, but I would expect that the prices will come down in the future.

Best Regards,
TerryO
 
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TerryO said:


One thing he came up with that relates to burning cd-r's is that after running everything through EAC, ect., he burns the cd-r with a: Blue Ray Burner
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Hi Terry, After taken someones advice on this thread, I ordered a bundle of Taiyo Yuden cd-r's from this site: http://www.mediamegamall.com/taiyo-yuden-shiny-silver-100pk-cdr80zz100sbzm-p-37.html along with down-loading the EAC program. After reading through this manual: http://imageevent.com/cics/v03thear...ngcomputertrnsp I set the EAC program up like it said. I then ripped about 15 tracks from a couple of different discs(some of my better recorded music discs) and burned them at 4X using the EAC. After listening to a couple tracks on my hi-fi gear, I was dissapointed at the sound quality! It appears that the other method I used to burn music is superior. I am not sure if it was the TY's or the EAC. One other thing that may be of interest is that I was told the real/genuine TY's have MADE IN JAPAN on them!
 
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FSHZ:42 said:


Hi Terry, After taken someones advice on this thread, I ordered a bundle of Taiyo Yuden cd-r's from this site: http://www.mediamegamall.com/taiyo-yuden-shiny-silver-100pk-cdr80zz100sbzm-p-37.html along with down-loading the EAC program. After reading through this manual: http://imageevent.com/cics/v03thear...ngcomputertrnsp I set the EAC program up like it said. I then ripped about 15 tracks from a couple of different discs(some of my better recorded music discs) and burned them at 4X using the EAC. After listening to a couple tracks on my hi-fi gear, I was disappointed at the sound quality! It appears that the other method I used to burn music is superior. I am not sure if it was the TY's or the EAC. One other thing that may be of interest is that I was told the real/genuine TY's have MADE IN JAPAN on them!
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EAC is generally regarded as the gold standard in lossless data recovery off of audio cds so I would tend to suspect the problem lies elsewhere. I have used it for about 3 yrs now and it seems to make excellent rips to my hard drive. I also use the ripper in J River Media Center which does not have the robust error correction routines of EAC. Most modern drives burn good copies at some speed close to their maximum - I have generally had better results on my Samsung drives burning at 24X or higher than at lower speeds. You might want to try burning disks at one or two notches below the maximum speed.

I use HP or Kodak brand CD-R and usually can't hear any difference between them and the originals or HD rips for that matter. Where I do hear a huge difference is between good analog or SACD and any 44.1K pcm whether CD or not. (I'll admit that is a red herring, but I am ready to give up on CD as I have tinkered in vain for over 20yrs looking for sonic nirvana from this format and have yet to find it - it sounds very good, just not great.)
 
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kevinkr said:
EAC is generally regarded as the gold standard in lossless data recovery off of audio cds so I would tend to suspect the problem lies elsewhere. I have used it for about 3 yrs now and it seems to make excellent rips to my hard drive. I also use the ripper in J River Media Center which does not have the robust error correction routines of EAC.
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Not sure of that. MC does also read the data several times until it finds no difference. I have compared wav files ripped with MC with those ripped with EAC of many CD’s. Comparison was done with the wav compare of EAC. There was no bit of difference! But maybe my CD’s are not dirty or scratched enough? 😀

But to be honest, I stick to EAC for some unknown reason 😉
 
#132
Hi,

Does anyone know where I can buy JVC/ Mitsui CDR online with a quantity of no more than 30 pieces? I know we can buy it at Amazon.com yet the min is 50 pieces. Since I am living in Japan and I've never tried their silver before so 30 pieces or below would be best.

PS: Taiyo Yuden is available in Japan yet only the green and gold layer coming with individual CD cases, not the silver in a big pack. I've tried the green layer yet the sound is a bit blurred and details are missing!
 
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oshifis said:
A while ago "black" tinted CD-Rs were considered good sounding among audiophiles. Is there any reason behind it?
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A number of us here in Seattle thought the music sounded better burned onto Black Discs. I certainly thought so as well (and still do), however a number of the Black Discs seem to have became unplayable much quicker that the ordinary types. This was my experience, and I believe that of Gary L. Koh of Genesis as well.

Best Regards,
TerryO
 
#137
Does anyone know where I can buy MAM-A Mitsui or simply Mitsui brand CDR (best in silver layer) online with a quantity of no more than 30 pieces? I know we can buy it at Amazon.com yet the minimum order is 50 pieces. Since I am living in Japan and I've never tried their silver before so 30 pieces or below would be best.

PS: Mitsui is available in Japan yet only the green or gold layer coming with individual CD cases available, not the silver coming in a big pack. I've tried the green layer yet the sound is a bit blurred and details are missing!

Thanks
 
#138
homemodder said:
Agree with mooly, Ive hunted for the best sounding CD R by comparing with listening tests between original disk and cdr, listening for any losses in detail or added noise wich most often is in high frequency spectrum. Ive ried about 30 disks.

The best Ive found is the Sony CD R, I think they call it Supremas, which are quite cheap too. Got best results with 16x. Phillips were pretty good too, TDK left much to be desired even the most costly so called high quality ones.
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Hi Homemodder,

That's a big number of discs you've tried! Me too, I've been trying different brands and seem haven't found the one I am satisfied with, including the Taiyo Yuden, which is said to the the best by many people here.

I am yet to try Mitsui, yet it's not available here in Japan, can't believe it, though true!
 
#140
I certainly respect those of you that are exploring the different types of media and why the so-called "identical bit-perfect" burned discs can sound so different. There will be some that are locked into the "old one's and zeroes mantra" that was politically correct many years ago at the start of the digital age. Evidenty, they're prone to repeating it over and over again as the Modern Age simply sweeps by them with new discoveries and improved understanding making advances possible.

Best Regards,
TerryO
 
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