Thank you! I thought as much, but I'm not qualified in electronics at all, let alone - enough to second-guess Nelson Pass.You can use less. I remember using 4000uf x2 without audible differences. I guess it depends on the quality of your DC input too.
Wouldn't 4000 be enough for this circuit even if it was fed with AC and these were the main smoothing capacitors? Assuming the current draw of 20 mA, as mentioned in the original B1 paper.
I wrote "toobish flavor"
Yes. But sometimes tubes designs are neutral/technical 😉 thanks ZM

Could you expound on that bit? I prefer a more neutral/technical sound signature rather than a colored/musical sound. I assume B1 is the former and Korg is the latter?
If that's the case and you want some gain, be sure to look at Wayne's BA2018 preamp.
Could you expound on that bit? I prefer a more neutral/technical sound signature rather than a colored/musical sound. I assume B1 is the former and Korg is the latter?
I have both the b2, b1 rev2 and the korg b1.
Both the b1 buffer amps are more neutral and have no gain of course. More of a uncolored sound. B1 rev2 is more ruthless and sharper than the original b1 I think. But I need gain and they don’t perform well in my system. They sound, well, flat.
The b1 korg is far my lively and although the measurements say it’s colored it doesn’t sound that way to me. Just sounds juicier and richer. Perhaps more veiled than the buffers but I like it a lot.
A lot will depend on your amplifier, speakers and listening habits. All these circuits are relatively inexpensive and there is no “best”. There is only what is best for you. So I’d recommend trying both.
Thanks guys. Yup, no "best" - that's why I'm asking about the differences to see if they match my needs/preferences.
If you are using am power amplifier with a relatively high input impedance (<50k ohms) you can just try a volume pot in front of the amp to see if a no gain preamp will work for you. The B1 buffer does it's job well but if you don't need a low impedance into the power amplifier you can accomplish the same thing with just a volume pot. It may actually sound better.
Why better, if you don't mind explaining? Sure, B1 has THD of its own and it's not exactly 0, but it's low enough to not care - or so I thought.It may actually sound better.
Do you need a 100 ohm source like the B1 into an amp with say 100K ohm input like the f5? Probably not. A 10K volume pot will work and will not have input and output caps or active devices like the B1 buffer which can color the sound...
If you have a power amp with say a 20K input impedance you are going to have to use an active buffer to get the output impedance down.
But my main point is throw a volume pot in front of your existing system to see if you can live with no gain. Many of us, especially those of us using vinyl as a source, can not.
If you have a power amp with say a 20K input impedance you are going to have to use an active buffer to get the output impedance down.
But my main point is throw a volume pot in front of your existing system to see if you can live with no gain. Many of us, especially those of us using vinyl as a source, can not.
passive pot (with value accommodated to actual case of amp Rin) is major reference, thus very important tool
if potentially used preamp is not sounding better than that, avoid that preamp
if potentially used preamp is sounding better than that, use it
if potentially used preamp is not sounding better than that, avoid that preamp
if potentially used preamp is sounding better than that, use it
What Zen mod said. B1 is a fantastic device that's amazing at what it does. But what it does may not be what you need. It's better to find out what you need before you decide what to make.
I tried both an ALPS pot and B1 with ALPS pot on F5, and preferred the B1. Only the pot sounded lacklustre in my case.
Thank you! I thought as much, but I'm not qualified in electronics at all, let alone - enough to second-guess Nelson Pass.
Wouldn't 4000 be enough for this circuit even if it was fed with AC and these were the main smoothing capacitors? Assuming the current draw of 20 mA, as mentioned in the original B1 paper.
Probably. I think Nelson once said you could go down as low as 1000 or 1500, though don’t quote me (quoting him) on that 🙂
1m is enough for that current, generally
though, with overkill cap, we are compensating for lack of regulation
though, with overkill cap, we are compensating for lack of regulation
That's what I use. Works well. As a comparison and to see if I can push it further, as a next step I'm going to use some Superregs from Teddy Pardo.
I meant the "normal" regulators, like 317/337 or 7815/7915, compared to the original unregulated design.
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