The results in this case, unsurprisingly, point to a poor system resolution, or a poor switch.
Ah yes. The good old audiophool fall-back argument.
"If you can't hear the difference then your system sucks."
For what?
I have no idea whether a switch can affect things, but i doubt it. Secondary effects could be very real thou. Like the fridge affecting the sound of your hifi.
Yes meanings are important. Unfortunately planet10 often doesn't respond when asked to clarify/explain what he means or posts something else equally confusing or irrelevant. Try asking him about cryo treated cat5 wire used for speaker cable and see what happens.

Ah yes. The good old audiophool fall-back argument.
"If you can't hear the difference then your system sucks."
My system(s) certainly don't suck, they're well above average in fact, yet not super expensive or complex.
Because you don't need to spend $$$$$ for respectable quality.
I could drape a sheet over the components, mask the speakers, and tell people they're Macintosh or some other "high end" stuff - and bet they couldn't tell for sure.
Yet, the insanity over "high end" will continue, just like any other thing.
And the choice to hold measurements as the be-all/end-all is also subjective.
dave
Dave that gets tiring. Who here said measurement to be the be-all/end-all? Do you make this stuff up?
Jan
Who here said measurement to be the be-all/end-all?
It is a common thread thruout the forum.
dave
Well said Tony. I would add that it also has to do with total lack of looking critically at your own reasoning and logic.
Jan
Thanks Jan, and yes absolutely! 🙂
It is a common thread thruout the forum.
dave
I would say it is a common perception throughout the forum 😉
Tony.
Yet, the insanity over "high end" will continue, just like any other thing.
Is it insane to say things that have a good chance of boosting your business? Another favourite tactic is to attempt to undermine your hearing acuity if you can't hear a difference.
Is it insane to say things that have a good chance of boosting your business? Another favourite tactic is to attempt to undermine your hearing acuity if you can't hear a difference.
Hey! My hearing accuity is excellent. I can still hear 15kHz!!
In fact, I hear it all the time! 😀
I would say it is a common perception throughout the forum 😉
Tony.
Not even that. It is just made up.
Jan
Hey! My hearing accuity is excellent. I can still hear 15kHz!!
In fact, I hear it all the time! 😀
Hehe, mines at 8kHz, silence at 15k 🙂
I would say it is a common perception throughout the forum 😉
Certainly human perception is our interface to our audio systems (and everything else). Some physics theories would have our perception creating the world around us.
dave
Any chance we can give up with page after page of rehashed 10 year old argument and get back to looking at the signal path just to see IF there is anything that we just might think worth investigating?
I think I now know why I'm on analog_sa's ignore list, he's probably assumed I'm a "rabid objectivist". Funny how the "subjective extremists" get so hot under the collar, my posts probably offend him and he can't bare to read them.
Right, I'm sure several on Joe's posse have me on ignore.
It's a give and take. My ignore list is now at 13. ;-)
I'm not doing that lightly, but if the subject demonstrates again and again that nothing useful comes forth, why waste my time?
Jan
I'm not doing that lightly, but if the subject demonstrates again and again that nothing useful comes forth, why waste my time?
Jan
It's a give and take. My ignore list is now at 13. ;-)
I'm not doing that lightly, but if the subject demonstrates again and again that nothing useful comes forth, why waste my time?
Jan
I'm down to 2 the others have passed away or have been banned.
Only 13? My list runs to 81 and is going a lot more because of this thread, which is its most useful, perhaps only, function. I want to put a certain moderator, known for his outlandish and commercial posts, on the list but the system doesn't allow it.It's a give and take. My ignore list is now at 13. ;-)
I'm not doing that lightly, but if the subject demonstrates again and again that nothing useful comes forth, why waste my time?
Jan
There is one area where the switch actually can make a difference. I work in pro audio, in one facility we use an AoIP (Audio over IP) system. The audio flies around the facility at 24/48 stereo (can also be 5.1), and communicates with other devices using "multi-cast" streams. Such streams need special handling at the switch, and so we only use managed Cisco switches with some specific programming. And one source can route to up to 36 destinations simultaneously in this particular facility. Lots-o-bits.
Does a Cisco switch make an audible difference? Absolutely! If you don't use one, you don't get much audio through anything. If you use one, set up correctly, it just works.
It's a real story, but I realize the home user won't bump into multicast all that much.
Does a Cisco switch make an audible difference? Absolutely! If you don't use one, you don't get much audio through anything. If you use one, set up correctly, it just works.
It's a real story, but I realize the home user won't bump into multicast all that much.
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