Video games are more lucrative and mind numbing though, be thankful for small mercies
Jan,
I do not think that is a valid argument. Add in the differences in hearing acuity, training & experience and indeed it can be true that "Half say it's great, other half say it sucks” and yet both are right.
I have had classical musicians listen to what i thot was a crappy little radio and thinking it is fine. Their brains were wired to fillin the missing bits and it did sound fine to them. Me, i just heard where all the missing bits should be and i thot its sonics were mediocre at best. Many times. Many people. It only takes one counter-example to disprove your premise.
You have to take in the statistical breadth/variance of the poulation of human ear/brains.
dave
This is a branch of logic I haven't encountered yet. ;-)
My logic would say, if the above is the case, there either is no accepted, valid metric for what is good and what is bad, or the test subject have no clue what they talk about. In either case, it is impossible to draw any valid conclusions as to the real, objective quality of what was tested.
Jan
What I said before. They interpret 'sounds good' as 'I like to listen to it'.
They did not interpret it as: this has a flat freq response, and no distortion, and low noise. Because that is not what they were interested in.
But if you want to find out whether an Ethernet switch makes a difference, it is not enough to collect opinions on 'do you like to listen to it', because we know there will be people that like to listen to anything even if it sounds like the kitchen radio, if the music gets them. I am guilty as well..
No, if you want to find out if an Ethernet switch makes a difference you need to compare, rigorously, like with like and remove all confounders.
And if you know that the digital values that arrive at the DAC are identical no matter what Ethernet switch, no matter in what order the packets arrive and are assembled, no matter via which route across the globe they traveled, you are open eyed fooling yourself if you expect the final result to sound different, based on different switches.
But if then you do a blind, rigorous test and you are convinced there is a difference, go look in a logical consistent way, not throwing out 'its the Ethernet switch' and display your logical reasoning prowess for all to see ;-)
Otherwise you are no better than the guy searching for his lost car keys under the lamp post, not because he lost them there, but because that's where there is light.
Jan
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I am sure. Let me guess. On one side the folks who could laugh at themselves and each other.
On the other side, the people who were upset and/or offended.
30 years working in recording studios, recording, mixing, editing, sound design. 8 hours a day listening . You count the hours. With all that experience you still dont know what a blind listening test is so excuse me for not believeing your ego centric opinions. Try learning someting.
Good point. But that's the point ! Any rational/sensible person would desire to engage in the discussion/mystery by simply comparing. As you accurately state; " They have no interest in sound/music". That makes sense. And here's the problem; insecurity. Overwhelming insecurity; if something or someone doesn't have a graph/story/theory -to show/tell them what to think/feel or hear, they're lost -completely.
A fish-out-of-water, wailing/flailing around is what they become. Sad.
pj
Please point to a rabid objectivist on this thread..
Being a music lover does not stop one from being technically informed or a subjectivist. Owning and using test equipment does not preclude having a collection of 10,000 or more albums.
Trying to head for the direct insults on people who don't share your views is not going to help at all.
Sound reproduction is not something mystic. It's technology. Like a mobile phone call. Or flying to Mars. Or a quantum computer. Or finding the Higgs bozon in a particle collider. Or recording gravity waves. When we succeed with such technology it's because of confidence. Overwhelming confidence thanks to that there exists a graph/story/theory -to show/tell what to do, or otherwise it would all be lost -completely.
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Everyone knows AMD CPUs have a much more natural, laid back soundstage, whereas Intels are more forward, analytical and bright.
Indeed, AMD processors are famous for their "airiness" and wide panoramic 3D presentation.
Relativism at its best/worst. I am sure every dead philosopher just turned in their graves and every live one rolled their eyes.
Let me remind you of the Rule Notes.
Relativism? More like statistics.
These comments havenothing to do with the tread subject only Jans assertion that 50% hearing & 50% not hearing proved something.
Test any large enuff sample of a population and things usually fall into a normal curve.
dave
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