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7n7is

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CO2 is good. It makes plants grow faster, thus providing more food and wood for housing and heating.

Economic concerns delay bill to cut down on global warming

Mar 20, 2008 3:00 AM (10 hrs ago) by Jaime Malarkey, The Examiner
BALTIMORE (Map, News) - A proposal to cut Maryland’s carbon emissions to offset global warming was tabled Wednesday after some lawmakers said the bill could threaten blue-collar jobs and shut down some of the state’s largest industrial operations.

The proposal sets a goal of reducing Maryland’s carbon emissions 25 percent by 2025, a softer version of legislation that originally required a 90 percent cut by 2050. That change, said Senate sponsor Paul Pinsky, a Prince George’s County Democrat, represents a compromise to cushion polluting factories and their employees, including thousands of steelworkers at Baltimore County’s Sparrows Point.

“Their children and grandchildren will be able to work at Sparrows Point too, if they chose, because it’s not going to be a couple feet under water,” Pinsky said. “We have a common interest with the manufacturers in reducing our energy costs.”

But opponents said the proposal could cost millions of jobs and force rolling blackouts by 2011. Sen. Donald Munson, a Washington County Republican, said local brick-making company Redland Bricks will close if the legislation is enacted.


“They employ a lot of people, people who have mortgages and families who have to eat,” Munson said. “To put them out of business would be a travesty.”

Opposition also included several Democrats. For the first time in his 45-year career, Sen. Norman Stone — a Democrat who represents the Sparrows Point area — requested to have his name removed from a list of lawmakers supporting the legislation.

The proposal is one of the most significant before the General Assembly this year, said Sen. Thomas “Mac” Middleton, the Democratic chairman of the powerful Senate finance committee.

Middleton supported a successful motion to delay debate until Thursday. Similar legislation remains pending in the House of Delegates.

“It’s a big, big bill,” Middleton said. “I just want to have a comfort level.”

jmalarkey@baltimoreexaminer.com


http://www.examiner.com/a-1289665~Economic_concerns_delay_bill_to_cut_down_on_global_warming.html
 
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documentary on oil
http://www.abc.net.au/science/crude/

Crude Oil Futures Prices - NYMEX
http://www.wtrg.com/daily/crudeoilprice.html

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oil fell below $100/barrel
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/sto...x?guid={CF4B7490-B682-49D0-B63F-5288DC2D6673}


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120576529550741839.html?mod=loomia&loomia_si=t0:a16:g2:r1:c0.153486
 
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Also, the bigger issue is water. [/B]
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I think the amount of evaporated water in the atmosphere has a larger effect on solar heat retention than CO2 since it is more dense. I've heard CH4 is a worse "greenhouse" gas than CO2.

Most of our current technology is powered by oil. That is the way it is now unless you have the money to design, develop, and mass produce reliable replacement machinery. It has to be done so as it is affordable. This is assuming you can find a replacement fuel source that is as versatile as oil. Not something likely to happen overnight.:rolleyes: :whazzat:
 
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Hi,
I thought the biggest (discovered) oil field in the world has not yet been touched, I think it lies on the border of North America and Canada .
As for food prices, well I am sure that there are 'small' patches of ground that are not yet being cultivated.
Price fixing for profit anyone?...
Thanks
Gareth

PS...I remember reading when I was five years old that the North Sea gas would run out in twenty to twenty five years...and I am sure that I have just been working on a new LNG terminal over here..so by my calculations they must refining..well..thin air..awesome. By the way the North Sea gas should have run out three years ago (what is three years when you are the biggest private company in the world.
 
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As for food prices, well I am sure that there are 'small' patches of ground that are not yet being cultivated.
Price fixing for profit anyone?...
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Don't forget about farm subsidies and paying farmers not to grow crops. How much food are we burning in our automobiles? There are reasons food prices are increasing but it is not because of a shortage of food or farmable land. On a more local scale, corruption never fails to increase the cost of living, no matter where you reside on this rock.


Those damn speculators.:cuss:
 
gareth

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CBS240 said:


Don't forget about farm subsidies and paying farmers not to grow crops. How much food are we burning in our automobiles? There are reasons food prices are increasing but it is not because of a shortage of food or farmable land. On a more local scale, corruption never fails to increase the cost of living, no matter where you reside on this rock.


Those damn speculators.:cuss:
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Hi CBS,
At the same time this week in sunny UK, there are going to be yet more increases in the price of gas, about 15% I think. It was only two weeks ago they went up by about 25%, about a month before that the prices went up 30% and this just keeps on going, on the other hand so called Energy Watchdogs and the government are 'concerned' about fuel poverty where approximately 3-4 million people here cannot afford to pay for their fuel.
Oh yes, and subsidised non-farming ??????? Absolute madness, unless you own a big bio-tech or supermarket chain.

Gareth

PS...Moderators, I apologise if this is slightly political, it's just a point of view. Sorry.
 
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gareth said:
Hi,
I thought the biggest (discovered) oil field in the world has not yet been touched, I think it lies on the border of North America and Canada .
As for food prices, well I am sure that there are 'small' patches of ground that are not yet being cultivated.
Price fixing for profit anyone?...
Thanks
Gareth

PS...I remember reading when I was five years old that the North Sea gas would run out in twenty to twenty five years...and I am sure that I have just been working on a new LNG terminal over here..so by my calculations they must refining..well..thin air..awesome. By the way the North Sea gas should have run out three years ago (what is three years when you are the biggest private company in the world.
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That is in North Dakota, South Dakota, Montana, Saskatchewan and Manitoba. It was deemed 'too expensive' to extricate when the price of oil was only $20 per barrel.

high estimate by the United States Geological Survey of 400 billion barrels of oil in the...... If this oil formation plays out toward the higher end of size and recoverability then it will change the geopolitics of oil and the economies of the United States and Canada..

The united states Government Geologist (year 2000) who was mapping this information, somehow dies as he was finishing the job. Never would have guessed that one.

:rolleyes: :dead:

Bakken and Torquay Oil fields.

http://nextbigfuture.com/2008/01/bakken-and-torquay-formations-saudi.html

I mean, after all, there's only about $10,000,000,000,000 ++, at a minimum -at stake. That's no real reason for killing a government geologist. Or anyone, for that matter.

I mean, Oil executives don't want my wallet and they don't consort with the kinds of folks who wish to control me, or control other's lives, now, do they?

I mean, they're all good people, aren't they? And if one created a device that 'seemingly' created energy out of nothing, and that $10,000,000,000,000.00++_ number was threatened, plus the other $100,000,000,000,000.00+++ funds and infrastructure, etc, and everything connected to it was threatened, they wouldn't harm you, erase you or anything, now would they? I mean, they'd just laugh and give you a big hug, for 'changing things', wouldn't they?

I mean, JP Morgan wouldn't hire Lorentz to remove the remaining asymmetry out of Maxwell's (died of stomach cancer, somehow- very young) already shortened (shortened and destroyed by Heaviside) mathematics on EM theory, now..would he?
 
gareth

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KBK said:



That is in North Dakota, South Dakota, Montana, Saskatchewan and Manitoba. It was deemed 'too expensive' to extricate when the price of oil was only $20 per barrel.

high estimate by the United States Geological Survey of 400 billion barrels of oil in the...... If this oil formation plays out toward the higher end of size and recoverability then it will change the geopolitics of oil and the economies of the United States and Canada..

The united states Government Geologist (year 2000) who was mapping this information, somehow dies as he was finishing the job. Never would have guessed that one.

:rolleyes: :dead:

Bakken and Torquay Oil fields.

http://nextbigfuture.com/2008/01/bakken-and-torquay-formations-saudi.html

I mean, after all, there's only about $10,000,000,000,000 ++, at a minimum -at stake. That's no real reason for killing a government geologist. Or anyone, for that matter.

I mean, Oil executives don't want my wallet and they don't consort with the kinds of folks who wish to control me, or control other's lives, now, do they?

I mean, they're all good people, aren't they? And if one created a device that 'seemingly' created energy out of nothing, and that $10,000,000,000,000.00++_ number was threatened, plus the other $100,000,000,000,000.00+++ funds and infrastructure, etc, and everything connected to it was threatened, they wouldn't harm you, erase you or anything, now would they? I mean, they'd just laugh and give you a big hug, for 'changing things', wouldn't they?

I mean, JP Morgan wouldn't hire Lorentz to remove the remaining asymmetry out of Maxwell's (died of stomach cancer, somehow- very young) already shortened (shortened and destroyed by Heaviside) mathematics on EM theory, now..would he?
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So nothing new here then, and I was concerned about the cost of travelling to work every week by car, and how it is increasing.

If I read the link correctly, maybe I had some induced psychosis, but $9 Trillion !!!!!! and that is at todays prices.

Serious question here then :-

Who believes that we are running out of oil worldwide?

I'd like to know what people out there (using this site) really and truthfully believe.

Gareth
 
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Report: IEA set to cut oil-supply forecast
By MarketWatch
Last update: 12:23 a.m. EDT May 22, 2008
SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- The Paris-based International Energy Agency is getting ready to issue a sharp downward revision of its oil-supply forecast, according to a published report.
A story in the online edition of the Wall Street Journal early Thursday reported IEA's forecast revision signals growing pessimism about whether oil companies can keep abreast of booming demand.
Read the full story at WSJ.com (Subscription).
The Journal reported the IEA is attempting to assess the condition of the world's top 400 oil fields. Its findings won't be released until November, but it is clear that future crude supplies could be far tighter than previously thought, the report notes.
The IEA has predicted previously that supplies of crude and other liquid fuels will keep pace with rising demand, topping 116 million barrels a day by 2030, up from around 87 million barrels a day currently, according to the report, which added that the agency now is concerned that aging oil fields and diminished investment mean that companies could struggle to surpass 100 million barrels a day over the next two decades.
The decision to rigorously survey supply reflects an increasing fear within the agency and elsewhere that oil-producing regions aren't on track to meet future needs, according to the Journal.
The report quotes Fatih Birol, the IEA's chief economist and the leader of the study, as saying "the oil investments required may be much, much higher than what people assume. This is a dangerous situation."
The IEA, employing a team of 25 analysts, is trying to assess the health of major fields scattered from Venezuela and Mexico to Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Iraq, the Journal reported. The fields supply over two-thirds of daily world production. End of Story

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/sto...-B052-4FDE-9E4F-25224D027D3A}&dist=TNMostRead
 
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