It's really hard to see on the picture, but in general I would change your expectations for speakers meant for sound-reinforcement or PA.
They are not meant to look super pretty, buy usually build to last.
So yes, you can be picky when it has a negative impact on its performance (raw performance on long term)
Otherwise I wouldn't bother if perfect looks are your thing.
In the last 10 years working as a professional in the industry, I can tell that they aren't always pretty.
I would also not consider a 6RS140 as a "premium" product btw in this industry.
Don't know exactly where you're from, but in most countries you can return a product in it's original state and get your money back.
They are not meant to look super pretty, buy usually build to last.
So yes, you can be picky when it has a negative impact on its performance (raw performance on long term)
Otherwise I wouldn't bother if perfect looks are your thing.
In the last 10 years working as a professional in the industry, I can tell that they aren't always pretty.
I would also not consider a 6RS140 as a "premium" product btw in this industry.
Don't know exactly where you're from, but in most countries you can return a product in it's original state and get your money back.
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http://www.troelsgravesen.dk/Faital-3WC-10.htm
PA? This has been a surprise for me! So I decided to look into it and yes, that is a speaker for Pro use, although you can use them like TG did along with a 10" model in your home... By the way, it looks just as ugly as the "inverted dome" look or whatever you want to call it!
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In all sincerety the driver isn't pretty at all but if it performs as expected, that's really in the end what matters most. The other important criteria is channel matching and that is a big one for me. Will a slightly skewed dust cap really affect the FR and THD by an appreciable amount? Probably not, but i do have to stare at the drivers listening to them and it will drive me a little bonkers being sensitive to symmetry. I understand this isn't pedaled as a precision home audio driver like a higher end ScanSpeak or Seas unit. Its definitely a higher performance driver likely never designed to be seen by anyone hidden behind a grille or a WG, but at a price tag approaching the $200 mark, it should be put together with more care and attention to detail. If the Eminence guys from Kentucky can gliue on a dust cap straight and sell it for a third of the cost, it shouldn't be that hard for the Italian guy who put this Faital driver together to do the same. The German in me takes a lot of pride in being a precise minded individual with high expectations (within practical reason) from anything remotely technical. Yes, my standards are high but not to the point of perfection.
If I'm feeling ambitious this weekend, I'll try to get some measurements on these Faitals. It will depend on my neighbors whether they can stop playing with their damn quad bikes so i can get a few minutes of quiet. God I hate noisy neighbors... that is until I get my turn makijg them appreciate some Meshell Ndegeocello at what I call acceptable listening levels.
If I'm feeling ambitious this weekend, I'll try to get some measurements on these Faitals. It will depend on my neighbors whether they can stop playing with their damn quad bikes so i can get a few minutes of quiet. God I hate noisy neighbors... that is until I get my turn makijg them appreciate some Meshell Ndegeocello at what I call acceptable listening levels.
Too bad about the workmanship.
This is why I like drivers made by robots. Eton and some Visaton are. Hey, they are german!
It seems like if you just put the off-center part towards the ceiling or floor it would be harder to see.
This is why I like drivers made by robots. Eton and some Visaton are. Hey, they are german!
It seems like if you just put the off-center part towards the ceiling or floor it would be harder to see.
If you would like to go for premium, get BMS or Radial next time (maybe PHL if it's your thing) , very closely followed by 18sound and B&C (maybe Oberton).
In the professional world nobody cares about these kind of details.
You also seem to forget that on that level there are a lot more things that count in as well, that are far more important than if a dustcap is perfectly centered or not.
So comparing companies on just something minor is rather useless.
Like I said before, expectations. Try to understand for what goal and use case a product is made for.
FaitalPro has been around for quite a while?
You can use anything for home audio if you want. But there will be differences.
Has FaitalPro been around for quite some time?
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I use 2x18" Eminence to cover only the first two octaves. It all depends on what you want to achieve, but yes, there are differences. What I don't know is what the OP plans to use this Faital speaker for. Could you tell us, if it's for PA, which box will that driver go in?
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I use 2x18" Eminence to cover only the first two octaves. It all depends on what you want to achieve, but yes, there are differences. What I don't know is what the OP plans to use this Faital speaker for. Could you tell us, if it's for PA, which box will that driver go in?
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It means, that it's good practice to check out companies or products, see what they are about and adjust expectations accordingly.
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A large concave dustcap on a woofer will reinforce the cone at its base near the VC.
There are so many other variables that saying such a cap causes particular issues is hard to justify.
I have no issues with the Peerless 830870 or the Eastech woofers i have used which have similar dustcaps.
dave
There are so many other variables that saying such a cap causes particular issues is hard to justify.
I have no issues with the Peerless 830870 or the Eastech woofers i have used which have similar dustcaps.
dave
Well i didnt mean to start a dustcap discussion because of my ocd asymmetry issues. Like I mentioned before, this driver is going into a waveguide and it needs to be able to deal with a phase plug to get up there into the mid frequencies past about 3k. That's no small feit. I have to leave enough distance from cone to phase plug for excursion. That is if I really need a phase plug in the first place.
The peerless 830870 is a fantastic driver. It has that magic vifa p13wh00-08 sound and extension. That is an example where an inverted dust cap is beneficial mainly off axis.
Its not all that noticable maybe because the dust covers are inverted. I could live with those.
If it was a larger woofer with domed dust caps it would be a different matter. I would expect the company to make it right if they were purchased through retail as new.
If it was a larger woofer with domed dust caps it would be a different matter. I would expect the company to make it right if they were purchased through retail as new.
Well in all honesty I do expect specific quirks from certain manufacturers. Its just disappointing to see what appears to be sloppy workmanship. There's no excuse for it in my book and it usually indicates a lack of pride or enthusiasm by the individual performing the work. It's not hard to glue on a dust cap on center.
It looks alot more noticeable to me because of how close the dust cap borders are to the surround. I'm also not even mentioning the way it was slid into place by the excess glue but that doesn't bother me as much.
You would think they came up with some kind of centering jig to simplify the task of centering it without any effort.
So yes, I ended up,sending them back to PE and they didn't even flinch about it. I always return my stuff the way it came with all packing intact (what little there is). I hate getting stuff previoisly sold to someone else and they don't bother to send to back the way it came. I do have to say PE doesn't really check their returns that well. One time I got a used set of waveguides with cracked mounting holes clearly used before, so buyer beware.
I would say that one reason for using a large dust cap can also be achieving a slightly higher x-damage.
There is one advantage to inverted dustcaps: They are less endangered to fall victim to "dome-pushers".
Regarding OT: I would also ask for an exchange. This is not a 10 $ China driver after all.
Regards
Chares
There is one advantage to inverted dustcaps: They are less endangered to fall victim to "dome-pushers".
Regarding OT: I would also ask for an exchange. This is not a 10 $ China driver after all.
Regards
Chares
One can make a very well performing speaker with inverted dustcap or with a regular dustcap.
Looking at all the very best drivers out there, there is very little correlation at best.
So I don't follow any of the whole story to begin with.
Looking at all the very best drivers out there, there is very little correlation at best.
So I don't follow any of the whole story to begin with.