I am working on simple high performance ADC, the best chip i found is AKM5578, in its referance design there is an opamp NJM5534 which is not produced anymore.
What could be the best replacement. No cost objective. I am looking for best performer.
Thanks
What could be the best replacement. No cost objective. I am looking for best performer.
Thanks
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NE5534 is a direct replacement. If you want better numbers then LM4562 would be worth a look (though its a dual). Do double check the current noise though.
Thank you for very fast feedback. Well i filter the smillar opamps here below;
http://www.ti.com/amplifier-circuit/op-amps/audio/products.html#p378typ=0.000015;0.00003
What i really wonder and want to learn how do you select proper one. Why LM4562 instead of LM49720 for example.I will be very happy If you can teach me.
http://www.ti.com/amplifier-circuit/op-amps/audio/products.html#p378typ=0.000015;0.00003
What i really wonder and want to learn how do you select proper one. Why LM4562 instead of LM49720 for example.I will be very happy If you can teach me.
The first thing to do when selecting the right opamp is check the ADC's performance numbers. The aim would be for the opamp's distortion and noise to be lower than that of the ADC. The AK5578 is an 8 channel part, are you using all 8 channels or summing them together to get a lower noise floor? With all 8 summed you want better than -130dB for SNR, the THD spec is -112dB, this won't change with multiple channels being summed.
As for LM49720 its my understanding that's the same part as LM4562.
As for LM49720 its my understanding that's the same part as LM4562.
Do keep in mind here that the only reason why this input stage meets the noise requirements for the ADC is because the inverting buffers are used in negative gain.
This allows AKM to use a very simple input buffer but it comes with the requirement of needing a very high input drive level to actually reach maximum signal level on the ADC. You need to provide 5.28VRMS per input half to hit 0dBfs.
This is larger than standard balanced outputs provide and significantly larger than the standard 2VRMS for single ended audio outputs. This isn't a concern for AKM, all they want to do is provide an input buffer that will showcase the ADCs performance and to that end it works. With their evaluation module they can provide an input signal of the required drive level using the Audio Precision test equipment. But with standard audio equipment and their associated output levels you will not reach the ADCs maximum input level.
This may not be of any concern but it is worth pointing out. If you wish to design an analogue input buffer that provides maximum ADC input scale with a standard 2VRMS audio signal then you'll need to redesign the input stage accordingly. And while the NE5534 is an excellent and inexpensive opamp you might need something that is lower noise to hit the target specification.
Remember the ADC hits it's maximum amplitude with only 1VRMS applied at each input pin. And needs a correspondingly low noise on the inputs to hit it's specified SNR.
This is one of the reasons why using several parallel higher noise input channels is an easier way to hit high SNR than just using two higher performance inputs. The maximum input signal magnitude remains unchanged between ADCs and this is fixed by the 5V supply rail. So to reach ever higher SNRs with a single channel you need much reduced noise from the input buffer.
Very low noise and very low distortion do not go hand in hand easily as very low noise necessitates low circuit impedances. Low impedances increase the demand placed upon the opamps output stage and also increases the size of any capacitors used for low pass filtering. The capacitors adding to the opamps struggle when driving the low impedances.
Some opamps handle capacitive loads and low impedances better than others. You can see this in the AK5397 datasheet. The example input buffers have identical, low impedance, low noise circuitry. With the LME49710 used they reach their target of low distortion but sacrifice on noise as a result. With the LME49990, a lower noise part, they manage to meet the required noise specification but this opamp is clearly not as comfortable driving the input circuits characteristics as distortion increases.
Just be aware of what it is you are trying to accomplish with your input stage, expected input levels and your ADC, then design accordingly. Also keep in mind that AKMs example buffers have low input impedances too which will not suit all sources that you may wish to use.
This allows AKM to use a very simple input buffer but it comes with the requirement of needing a very high input drive level to actually reach maximum signal level on the ADC. You need to provide 5.28VRMS per input half to hit 0dBfs.
This is larger than standard balanced outputs provide and significantly larger than the standard 2VRMS for single ended audio outputs. This isn't a concern for AKM, all they want to do is provide an input buffer that will showcase the ADCs performance and to that end it works. With their evaluation module they can provide an input signal of the required drive level using the Audio Precision test equipment. But with standard audio equipment and their associated output levels you will not reach the ADCs maximum input level.
This may not be of any concern but it is worth pointing out. If you wish to design an analogue input buffer that provides maximum ADC input scale with a standard 2VRMS audio signal then you'll need to redesign the input stage accordingly. And while the NE5534 is an excellent and inexpensive opamp you might need something that is lower noise to hit the target specification.
Remember the ADC hits it's maximum amplitude with only 1VRMS applied at each input pin. And needs a correspondingly low noise on the inputs to hit it's specified SNR.
This is one of the reasons why using several parallel higher noise input channels is an easier way to hit high SNR than just using two higher performance inputs. The maximum input signal magnitude remains unchanged between ADCs and this is fixed by the 5V supply rail. So to reach ever higher SNRs with a single channel you need much reduced noise from the input buffer.
Very low noise and very low distortion do not go hand in hand easily as very low noise necessitates low circuit impedances. Low impedances increase the demand placed upon the opamps output stage and also increases the size of any capacitors used for low pass filtering. The capacitors adding to the opamps struggle when driving the low impedances.
Some opamps handle capacitive loads and low impedances better than others. You can see this in the AK5397 datasheet. The example input buffers have identical, low impedance, low noise circuitry. With the LME49710 used they reach their target of low distortion but sacrifice on noise as a result. With the LME49990, a lower noise part, they manage to meet the required noise specification but this opamp is clearly not as comfortable driving the input circuits characteristics as distortion increases.
Just be aware of what it is you are trying to accomplish with your input stage, expected input levels and your ADC, then design accordingly. Also keep in mind that AKMs example buffers have low input impedances too which will not suit all sources that you may wish to use.
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Another thing to consider. The op amps in the input buffer as shown in post #1 are "tuned" to drive the 15n capacitor across ADC inputs. Different values for the RC feedback circuit are required for different op amps. Here is some info: Op Amps Driving Capacitive Loads | Analog Devices
Maybe consider LME49860. About like a 4562 or LME49720, but allows higher voltage rails and larger output swings. However, all the foregoing opamps can be sensitive to environmental RF, such as from cordless home phone base stations, etc. Proper shielding design may be part of what would needed for best performance results.
It depends on whether you want headroom. A professional analogue mixing deck would typically have a nominal output level of +4 dBu, or 1.2277 V RMS, and 20 dB of headroom, so a maximal level of 12.277 V RMS, 6.138 V per side. As you wrote, it all depends on the application.
it will be use for convert analog input from dac or preamp to DSD i2s. 8-to-1 mode.
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Why do you want to convert a DAC output signal back to digital? Wouldn't a direct digital-to-digital PCM-to-DSD conversion be more appropriate? Many people on this forum do that with software.
Regarding the preamp, preamp as in phono or microphone preamp or as in a box with a couple of line inputs, a source selector and a volume control?
Regarding the preamp, preamp as in phono or microphone preamp or as in a box with a couple of line inputs, a source selector and a volume control?
My idea is use ADC as input of my class-d amplifier. My class d amplifier have pwm input so basically DSD and PWM is same.
I believe that ADC pwm conversation will be superior to convensional analog - PWM conversation methods in class d amplifiers.
So it will be a regular integrated amplifier.
I believe that ADC pwm conversation will be superior to convensional analog - PWM conversation methods in class d amplifiers.
So it will be a regular integrated amplifier.
