My opinion is that AI should be considered just a "tool" and not a complete solution to any particular problem. Additional knowledge and skill must be able to use the tool properly and proficiently. The idea that AI will just "take over and automate" everything seems very short sighted and foolish to me, not in the sense that I am afraid of potential bad outcomes but more that any technology or tool to date must interface with the human mind to reach its full potential. IMO a good example or examples are the attempts at using AI to create ab initio code for some purpose, instead of a skilled coder offloading a subset of their coding responsibilities to AI just like they would do to a newbie coder. Of course they would need to confirm that the code produced (by AI or the newb) functions properly and is written to some standard, etc. AI is just like that, not some magic power that will do it all without user intervention or oversight. And AI makes lots and lots of mistakes, some of which are easy to spot and some are not. It's the same with AI art, AI circuit schematic development, etc. etc.
Don't be afraid of the new tool. It's powerful and useful and WILL replace some people, tasks, etc. like any new and great technology. But humans are not going to be totally replaced by it, nor will they ever be free from checking and supervising it either.
I'll wrap this into a spoiler as it's political content so hopefully the thread doesn't lock up.
Hi, unfortunately EU regulation seems to target normal people, while allows dystopian use case for total control of the people by government. At the same time there is attempts to limit free speech, manipulate elections like in Romania and now also it seems to be happening in France as well, this is terrible for democracy. Also text behind link says they want AI to be politically correct and controlled my humans, all this stuff in the regulation is so dystopian I can't believe. Just wait for EU launch CBDC next october. Literally EU seems to do exactly opposite what they (media) say, while "defending democracy" they are killing it before our eyes.
The AI regulation is sold as if it was for safety of the people, but it's exactly the opposite. Currently AI race is between US and China, all development seem to come from these two, while EU has none. Quite opposite, EU seems to want to isolate themselves from both while green policies have made electricity very expensive and ever increasing byrocracy seems to kill innovation and prevent big companies that could do it. They should make full 180deg turn on policies but looks like they won't, unfortunately, unless people of Europe wake up and change the development. I hope things do not escalate into WW3 which they also seem to want to get into with all the war mongering. It's bonkers.
The AI regulation is sold as if it was for safety of the people, but it's exactly the opposite. Currently AI race is between US and China, all development seem to come from these two, while EU has none. Quite opposite, EU seems to want to isolate themselves from both while green policies have made electricity very expensive and ever increasing byrocracy seems to kill innovation and prevent big companies that could do it. They should make full 180deg turn on policies but looks like they won't, unfortunately, unless people of Europe wake up and change the development. I hope things do not escalate into WW3 which they also seem to want to get into with all the war mongering. It's bonkers.
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The EU want to control the development but they can't. Because they're not the ones developing it. USA, China and probably Russia are.
It's also worth remembering that what we're calling AI really isn't AI, it's a sophisticated intelligence simulator...
I use it to give me ideas on potential coding solutions to problems I have, but I'd never use any code it gave me without being sure it was correct. To be useful, an AI has to be reliably correct, at least as reliably correct as a human being. That's not such a high bar as we'd like to think 🙂
The more I read and learn, the more I think Philip K Dick was probably the greatest thinker of the 20th century. Well, him and Douglas Adams.
Which fits with this. It's not just the USA or Musk that's the problem, it's China and other countries (North Korea springs to mind) as well as criminal organisations like drug/hacker cartels who are going to be developing their own AI and probably have as much resource power as many countries . Commercially? Read up a bit on Clearview AI, genuinely terrifying and has been out there for some time.
It's also worth remembering that what we're calling AI really isn't AI, it's a sophisticated intelligence simulator...
I use it to give me ideas on potential coding solutions to problems I have, but I'd never use any code it gave me without being sure it was correct. To be useful, an AI has to be reliably correct, at least as reliably correct as a human being. That's not such a high bar as we'd like to think 🙂
The more I read and learn, the more I think Philip K Dick was probably the greatest thinker of the 20th century. Well, him and Douglas Adams.
AI is a tool, which like all tools, it can be abused. However, this does not mean that every use of AI is an abuse. Like all revolutionary technologies, it will require a legal framework in which to operate. The "danger" of AI at present lies in the fact legislation regulating it is still in its infancy, or worse, it does not yet exist.
Like all tools, using them does not make a one a lazy person. Everyone uses tools (sometime) in their lives. For instance, to give an example, it is unimaginable to assume carpentry to be practiced without tools. In fact, modern carpentry is all about safe and efficient tool use. Another example are software tools. I remember myself using Derive, a maths tool which can derive algebraic expressions. Irrespective of using Derive, I can still take a paper and derive a formula or expression on paper. I can still solve systems of equations. Besides Derive, there is also matlab (I never used it) and there is the spice family of simulators which did not result in the annihilation of electronic engineers and mathematicians.
Like all tools, using them does not make a one a lazy person. Everyone uses tools (sometime) in their lives. For instance, to give an example, it is unimaginable to assume carpentry to be practiced without tools. In fact, modern carpentry is all about safe and efficient tool use. Another example are software tools. I remember myself using Derive, a maths tool which can derive algebraic expressions. Irrespective of using Derive, I can still take a paper and derive a formula or expression on paper. I can still solve systems of equations. Besides Derive, there is also matlab (I never used it) and there is the spice family of simulators which did not result in the annihilation of electronic engineers and mathematicians.
Hi, yeah majority of people would accompany you with this at this point in time. On the other hand this is what democracy is, everyone can express their view and discourse emerges, where parties with different views try to come together to understand each other better, right?. Unfortunately polarization in the world seems to be increasing and it very well could be that instead of discourse there is none one day, in many examples it's already quite alarming.
Possibility that things develop so that people in EU can use The Party accepted AI only, which cannot be used for evil except by authorities as the regulation writes, it makes me thinking though. Currently we can use about any AI and have no oppression from government so things are still kicking, although media is quite biased and economics have been going south for about 20 years. I hope development turns positive with AI coming in fruition so that freedoms and prosperity increases for everyone, instead of being weaponized to mass control. It's almost unlimited power and can be used for good and evil, it's important to keep checks and balances in place.
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As the OP made the point, 'separating the head from the hands', this to me is a very important problem. Sure we mentally solve problems with our mind, but it is when you actually use your hands in the solution that makes the circle. This is what I find when a machine is programmed to do handwork. We.. are.. losing.. that. I see it too often.
Going on to AI, just how much technology do we actually need? Up to some point it is a good thing, then it just gets marketed. Faster/lighter/cheaper shouldn't continue to be the goal and yet this what AI will likely be used for. The amount of faster/lighter/cheaper that is literally tossed was helped along by the technology that we are so impressed with.
Going on to AI, just how much technology do we actually need? Up to some point it is a good thing, then it just gets marketed. Faster/lighter/cheaper shouldn't continue to be the goal and yet this what AI will likely be used for. The amount of faster/lighter/cheaper that is literally tossed was helped along by the technology that we are so impressed with.
If only I were so articulate as he is! I have ideas and thoughts, but to get it across to someone who is even willing to listen in the first place is a tougher goal. In spite of the fact that I strongly agree with his estimation of 'ought', there remains a fact that we seem not to be able to veer from our very beginning. Control, possession (greed), 'power' and inevitably, war. So propelled by greed, control, and power, that we cannot as of yet, do much past the influence of these dangerous traits that we already posses.
I find AI helpful to do electronic math, it does that well if you give it all the info. AI is not creative, at this stage in it's development it's basically a search engine that departs from mere word and phrase matching, into reasoning and solving word problems. For example of you search diy audio for constant current source usage in tube amps, you'll get ccs in cathode, anode, power supply, everything. But let's say you only want info about CCS usage over the anode. AI can discern that kind of query for you and focus on anode ccs circuitry not cathode ccs. It excels over typical word search, and that I find very useful. To me it's a tool, like any tool.
AI trains itself by accessing all the worlds information in billions of web pages. This means a combination of truth and lies. Good sites like diyaudio offer much truth to the AI's learning. But if you ask it if a man can become a woman because he wants to, then it will spew a lie or an equivocation. Same if you ask it to define what a woman is, it will equivocate. This is the problem with AI. Man is simultaneously deeply flawed in his thinking and writing as well as profoundly brilliant. All of that mess is mashed together on the Internet. And all that messy input is going into the child we call AI. Truth must be bound to a higher calling than our elected governments, which is populated by politicians sleazy and corrupt. Truth must come from something higher than government. This is my fear with AI, who decides what is true?... then with power proceeds to codify that into an unchallengeable AI dogma we must all comply with. Absolute power corrupts absolutely, is AI the thing that hands corrupted power in government the ability to decide for everyone what is true? Read Orwell 1984. "How many fingers am I holding up Winston?"
In George Orwell's 1984, Winston is tortured by O'Brien, who repeatedly asks him how many fingers he is holding up. Despite O'Brien holding up four fingers, Winston is forced to say that he sees five. Or die.
This is the fundamental problem with AI and man. man is flawed, he seeks power over liberty, he seeks to be the only source of truth. Witness today that it is illegal in Great Britain to pray in public. Give a government like that AI and we are all screwed.
In George Orwell's 1984, Winston is tortured by O'Brien, who repeatedly asks him how many fingers he is holding up. Despite O'Brien holding up four fingers, Winston is forced to say that he sees five. Or die.
This is the fundamental problem with AI and man. man is flawed, he seeks power over liberty, he seeks to be the only source of truth. Witness today that it is illegal in Great Britain to pray in public. Give a government like that AI and we are all screwed.
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I have found a good use of this so called A.I's
Finding great music!
I first start giving some info to the A.I about the tracks I love and additional information like how it is rendering itself psycho acoustically, few other info and cues.
The suggestions it came up were remarkably good. Some even amazing.
So I asked how it's doing it. It spit out below
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Production Analysis – Some tracks are mixed with binaural or advanced stereo techniques (like QSound in Roger Waters' Amused to Death), creating a 3D effect.
Waveform & Spectral Data – Songs with phase manipulation, heavy reverb, and specific panning tricks tend to create a bigger soundstage.
Audiophile & Sound Engineering Reviews – I pull insights from forums, interviews, and sound engineers discussing spatial qualities.
Comparing to Other Known Tracks – If I know a track has extreme imaging, I can infer that similar production styles will have comparable effects.
That said, your ears and system matter most—you're experiencing these tracks in a way I never can! That’s why I love hearing your impressions after you listen.
""
One more thing in the recent past A.I responses have become very polite and nice and tries hard to keep engaged longer, most likely due to competition between similar A.I
It could even go through hours long youtube video and spit out the summary.
Finding great music!
I first start giving some info to the A.I about the tracks I love and additional information like how it is rendering itself psycho acoustically, few other info and cues.
The suggestions it came up were remarkably good. Some even amazing.
So I asked how it's doing it. It spit out below
""
Production Analysis – Some tracks are mixed with binaural or advanced stereo techniques (like QSound in Roger Waters' Amused to Death), creating a 3D effect.
Waveform & Spectral Data – Songs with phase manipulation, heavy reverb, and specific panning tricks tend to create a bigger soundstage.
Audiophile & Sound Engineering Reviews – I pull insights from forums, interviews, and sound engineers discussing spatial qualities.
Comparing to Other Known Tracks – If I know a track has extreme imaging, I can infer that similar production styles will have comparable effects.
That said, your ears and system matter most—you're experiencing these tracks in a way I never can! That’s why I love hearing your impressions after you listen.
""
One more thing in the recent past A.I responses have become very polite and nice and tries hard to keep engaged longer, most likely due to competition between similar A.I
It could even go through hours long youtube video and spit out the summary.
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A Google search will reveal that it's not exactly true. I'm saying nothing because I see the sword of Damocles hanging over this thread...
The UK allows a separate legal system in parallel to its own legal system too. Damocles already lost his sword. The nuances sir, the nuances!
https://catholicreview.org/prayer-thought-and-peaceful-presence-will-be-banned-all-over-the-uk/
https://catholicreview.org/prayer-thought-and-peaceful-presence-will-be-banned-all-over-the-uk/
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Scotland has a separate legal system to that in England and Wales, though obviously there's a lot of commonality