Hello everyone,
Recently there is a trend of agressive and humiliating posts.The negative energy that evaporates from these useless discussions cost too much of my ( and your ) valuable time and lead to nothing. Besides that they annoy other people that want to exchange information and don't want to get involved in these quarrels.
For some it is very difficult to accept that not everybody thinks like them and the last instrument they have is to throw with mud.Therefore I wish to sign off.
BTW I am fully aware that I am not innocent but I always try to respect another persons opinion. At least I try... Unfortunately I don't avoid confrontation and can be quite direct. This is not well received by some and the result is discussion on a level that is damaging this forum.
To me a discussion should be based on respect and even if the opponent has a contradictive opinion you can sometimes learn from the facts he or she presents. This is one of the things that made this forum different from others. To me joining this forum was not to please my own character, it was about sharing experiences. I learnt a great deal here and it was fun.
Good health and good luck with your projects,
Jean-Paul
Examples of this agression can be found here:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=107027#post107027
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9112
Recently there is a trend of agressive and humiliating posts.The negative energy that evaporates from these useless discussions cost too much of my ( and your ) valuable time and lead to nothing. Besides that they annoy other people that want to exchange information and don't want to get involved in these quarrels.
For some it is very difficult to accept that not everybody thinks like them and the last instrument they have is to throw with mud.Therefore I wish to sign off.
BTW I am fully aware that I am not innocent but I always try to respect another persons opinion. At least I try... Unfortunately I don't avoid confrontation and can be quite direct. This is not well received by some and the result is discussion on a level that is damaging this forum.
To me a discussion should be based on respect and even if the opponent has a contradictive opinion you can sometimes learn from the facts he or she presents. This is one of the things that made this forum different from others. To me joining this forum was not to please my own character, it was about sharing experiences. I learnt a great deal here and it was fun.
Good health and good luck with your projects,
Jean-Paul
Examples of this agression can be found here:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=107027#post107027
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9112
Re: Agressiveness
Please do not not leave my friend.
Agressive, humiliating behavior you will find everywhere in society, in work, club, school, internetforum etc.
I left the Audio Asylum, well not completely, as a result of the quarrels. People discussing each others English and so on.
Your English is better than mine but as long as we can understand each other there is no problem.
For me this forum is still the best though I noted a recent decline in quality of posts and nonsense postings just to get "enlightened".
Remember we never would have met, though in virtual world, without this forum. And you would never had your free KWAK-CLOCK PCB. It's in the making!
<B>Please stay!</b🙂
Hi Jean-Paul,jean-paul said:
Please do not not leave my friend.
Agressive, humiliating behavior you will find everywhere in society, in work, club, school, internetforum etc.
I left the Audio Asylum, well not completely, as a result of the quarrels. People discussing each others English and so on.
Your English is better than mine but as long as we can understand each other there is no problem.
For me this forum is still the best though I noted a recent decline in quality of posts and nonsense postings just to get "enlightened".
Remember we never would have met, though in virtual world, without this forum. And you would never had your free KWAK-CLOCK PCB. It's in the making!
<B>Please stay!</b🙂
Jean-Paul
As moderators, we have noticed the return of aggressive posting over the last few days, and a couple of people's posts have been moved to Texas, and one member sinbinned. It is difficullt for us to act in some cases without being seen as being punative, or abusing our " God like" powers, so if you, or any other member who reads this, feels they have been insulted or the target of undue agression, please use the button below the offending post to tell us. It helps a lot.
We want to help, and we will punish offenders, but because we are often not directly involved in the threads where these arguments happen, sometimes it is hard to see the context. Sometimes what seems like a mortal insult is taken as a bit of fun, and sometimes it is, indeed, an insult. From outside it is hard to tell, so we need you all to help us keep the peace by reporting posts.
If you do not feel the problem is severe enough to report officially, then just drop myself or any of the other Mods a private e-mail, and we will watch that thread for a while to gauge the seriousness of the problem.
Jean- Paul, we are here to help, so don't go, your input into this forum has been useful and informative. If you wish to take the matter further then e-mail me privately, and I will take it seriously.
As moderators, we have noticed the return of aggressive posting over the last few days, and a couple of people's posts have been moved to Texas, and one member sinbinned. It is difficullt for us to act in some cases without being seen as being punative, or abusing our " God like" powers, so if you, or any other member who reads this, feels they have been insulted or the target of undue agression, please use the button below the offending post to tell us. It helps a lot.
We want to help, and we will punish offenders, but because we are often not directly involved in the threads where these arguments happen, sometimes it is hard to see the context. Sometimes what seems like a mortal insult is taken as a bit of fun, and sometimes it is, indeed, an insult. From outside it is hard to tell, so we need you all to help us keep the peace by reporting posts.
If you do not feel the problem is severe enough to report officially, then just drop myself or any of the other Mods a private e-mail, and we will watch that thread for a while to gauge the seriousness of the problem.
Jean- Paul, we are here to help, so don't go, your input into this forum has been useful and informative. If you wish to take the matter further then e-mail me privately, and I will take it seriously.
I also noticed, especially yesterday, aggression and quarrels in many threads. Maybe SinBin should be used more often after all. There are some members who seem to find pleasure in arguing just for the fun of it and they influence the forum in a very negative way. They show no real contribution, no advice and questionable knowledge they brag about.
Jean-Paul, your departure would be a loss to this forum, so I second Elso and ask you to stay. I think we can fix the agression problem.
Jean-Paul, your departure would be a loss to this forum, so I second Elso and ask you to stay. I think we can fix the agression problem.
Jean Paul,
In the past I would have taken on people like you've shown in the threads you linked, but now, I simply can't be bothered and just ignore them.
<i>Don't let the turkeys get you down</i>
I hope you won't leave, but wish you the best no matter what you decide.
Cheers
In the past I would have taken on people like you've shown in the threads you linked, but now, I simply can't be bothered and just ignore them.
<i>Don't let the turkeys get you down</i>
I hope you won't leave, but wish you the best no matter what you decide.
Cheers
Brett, your past encounter with Joel shows otherwise.😉
But I agree, this is the way to deal with such people, just draw the line and ignore. There is so many more interesting things to do.
But I agree, this is the way to deal with such people, just draw the line and ignore. There is so many more interesting things to do.
Grasshopper, what about the more recent stuff? Joel and I have agreed on things, and I've stayed out of other arguments, even deliberately ignoring some overt provocation, and "Bummer of a birthmark, Hal" opportunities.Peter Daniel said:
I had one of those events in my personal life in the last few weeks that put some new persective on things, and I decided I can't be bothered arguing anymore. Well, at least not at the moment.
But don't you guys (mods) relax, I consider you <i> special cases</i>.
hehehe
Jean-Paul, my fellow country man I need your viewpoints and knowledge. Specially being so far from home. Please don't let this
bickering get in the way, Robert.
And if you ask me nicely I will provide you with some more cool avatars. ;0)
Blijf bij ons we hebben een paar nuchtere hollanders nodig.
bickering get in the way, Robert.
And if you ask me nicely I will provide you with some more cool avatars. ;0)
Blijf bij ons we hebben een paar nuchtere hollanders nodig.
Anybody who wants to see how gentlemen disagree
with each other should simply watch "My Dinner With
Andre".
with each other should simply watch "My Dinner With
Andre".
WHAT'S THIS?
Hi,
Jean-Paul???
While I just finished going through the threads you linked I admit I see your point...but leaving because of that?
Common Jean-Paul,come back and err.. follow the "Tubes" section perhaps?
Your input is welcomed there... as long as you don't argue with me.😀
Seriously man,come back will you?😉
Hi,
Jean-Paul???
While I just finished going through the threads you linked I admit I see your point...but leaving because of that?
Common Jean-Paul,come back and err.. follow the "Tubes" section perhaps?
Your input is welcomed there... as long as you don't argue with me.😀
Seriously man,come back will you?😉
Jean-Paul,
I can't help it but feeling somewhat responsible for the mess of the recent days and maybe that has partially influenced your decision to leave, if so I am sorry.
However, other than heated, sanguine discussion, I have seen little evidence of a level of aggressiveness in which you were involved that might justify you or anyone leaving the forum. Do as you please but consider taking a couple of days, weeks, months to think about it, relax do other things. After all you have been posting alot in a very short period of time, maybe a break is all you need.
I can't help it but feeling somewhat responsible for the mess of the recent days and maybe that has partially influenced your decision to leave, if so I am sorry.
However, other than heated, sanguine discussion, I have seen little evidence of a level of aggressiveness in which you were involved that might justify you or anyone leaving the forum. Do as you please but consider taking a couple of days, weeks, months to think about it, relax do other things. After all you have been posting alot in a very short period of time, maybe a break is all you need.
[Partly OT] "No Action Cinema Festival"
I've meant to start up a "No-Action" film festival of
sorts and My Dinner With Andre is planned for the
inaugural run. Just need a short or two to go with
it.
[ObOnTopic] Could it be folks hung over from
New Year's Eve and feeling grumpy? Or just
familiarity breeding contempt? With vacations
and such I know I have been able to spend longer
stretches at a time reading the forums the last few
weeks.
When people spend enough time together (even
in a virtual sense, no make that ESPECIALLY in a
virtual sense) there can be the tendency to drop
the veneer of politeness and speak up more
directly.
I believe it was Corey Greenberg who had this
advice for people who get upset enough about
something they read in a magazine that they
immediately dash off a Letter to the Editor
(paraphrasing with a few less capital letters *heh*):
Take it to a mirror. Tell your "friend" OUT LOUD
what it is that you read on a web forum that has
you so fired up. If the sound of your own voice
telling your reflection what has got you so
Righteously Indignant hasn't embarrassed you
beyond unholy belief, then by all means type up
that response. 🙂
eL
Nelson Pass said:
I've meant to start up a "No-Action" film festival of
sorts and My Dinner With Andre is planned for the
inaugural run. Just need a short or two to go with
it.
[ObOnTopic] Could it be folks hung over from
New Year's Eve and feeling grumpy? Or just
familiarity breeding contempt? With vacations
and such I know I have been able to spend longer
stretches at a time reading the forums the last few
weeks.
When people spend enough time together (even
in a virtual sense, no make that ESPECIALLY in a
virtual sense) there can be the tendency to drop
the veneer of politeness and speak up more
directly.
I believe it was Corey Greenberg who had this
advice for people who get upset enough about
something they read in a magazine that they
immediately dash off a Letter to the Editor
(paraphrasing with a few less capital letters *heh*):
Take it to a mirror. Tell your "friend" OUT LOUD
what it is that you read on a web forum that has
you so fired up. If the sound of your own voice
telling your reflection what has got you so
Righteously Indignant hasn't embarrassed you
beyond unholy belief, then by all means type up
that response. 🙂
eL
jean-paul said:
I just got in trouble ofr my apparent aggression on that post - which kind of proves that the mods are a bit gung ho and don't bother reading the whole thread.
Can you be specific with who WAS causing the negativity?
Cause I bet my backside that it wasn't me.
It may have been the great 'I am'....
Mod hat onStryder,
I did read the whole thread, three times in fact, just to make sure of what was going on.
Your post that I removed to Texas was purely insulting to other members posting on that thread. I would have let it go if it had any information content at all, or had been even slightly humourous, but it was neither.
I have just spent half an hour or so of my time reading through all your posts to the board, and you seem very enthusiastic about damping vibrations in kit. This is fine, and all credit to you for your enthusiasm, and I happen to agree with you and have tons of bluetak in my system. However, in this case, a reasoned argument would have carried more weight.
You are correct, you are not the only sinner on that thread, and I will be keeping a close eye on some others, including Jean-Paul, if he comes back, but saying that I hope he does, because he contributed valuble things to this group.
I know you are new to the forums, and it is not a case of the old hand getting preferential treatment, but, as is often requested by members, we have to keep the S/N ratio high, and your post was just noise.
All I am asking is that you apologise to the members in that thread, and if you wish, the offending post will be deleted from the board, and that will be the end of the matter.
I hope you will take this in the right way, and we can forget about the whole thing and move on, as I'm sure you also have valuble things to contribute.
Thanks
Hi Jean-Paul,
I, also, will be sorry to see you go.
In the few days since I joined and started posting, as opposed to being an onlooker, I have had some experience of arguing and ridicule, and an offensive post, yesterday.
However, as I believe you have done, I have posted quite a lot, but all of which I hoped might be *helpful* to the others.
If some others don't happen to agree with us, so what, they are the losers, and interestingly, where our paths have been down the same roads, I happen to have agreed with all that you have said.
Must be just another of those coincidences, the detractors will say, but it won't change the facts or what is true, will it?
Regards,
I, also, will be sorry to see you go.
In the few days since I joined and started posting, as opposed to being an onlooker, I have had some experience of arguing and ridicule, and an offensive post, yesterday.
However, as I believe you have done, I have posted quite a lot, but all of which I hoped might be *helpful* to the others.
If some others don't happen to agree with us, so what, they are the losers, and interestingly, where our paths have been down the same roads, I happen to have agreed with all that you have said.
Must be just another of those coincidences, the detractors will say, but it won't change the facts or what is true, will it?
Regards,
Bobken:
Please note that the offensive post directed at you-okay, the most offensive post directed at you-was deleted and the poster exiled to the Penalty Box, err, Sin Bin for a period of time.
Please note that the offensive post directed at you-okay, the most offensive post directed at you-was deleted and the poster exiled to the Penalty Box, err, Sin Bin for a period of time.
Jean-Paul:
Our paths have not crossed that often, but when they have, I have been very impressed with what you have to say.
If there is one weakness in DIYAudio forums, apart from the fact that there is no Equation Editor for the posts, (I don't know if such a thing is even possible, and anyway it is a separate issue), it is that the role of Moderator is still undefined. The Moderation team is still finding their way. They have been roundly criticized for being intrusive, yet there has been a buildup of aggressive and even outright insulting posts.
Audio by it's nature attracts people with some strong opinions, and indeed much audio progress has been made by strong-minded people out to show the world they are right. Still, civility is possible on these forums, and the Moderators are in the process of difining what is allowed and what is not allowed on a day-by-day basis. True, it should have been done before, but at least it is being done now.
One of the problems the Moderators face is that those who think they act too strongly tend to say so, while those who think they should act more to keep the forum on-track simply "vote with their feet" and don't bother posting anymore. Needless to say, this increases the proportion of people on the forum who want a free-for-all. Only by staying can you be one of those who guides the forum toward the right balance of civility and freedom of expression.
Our paths have not crossed that often, but when they have, I have been very impressed with what you have to say.
If there is one weakness in DIYAudio forums, apart from the fact that there is no Equation Editor for the posts, (I don't know if such a thing is even possible, and anyway it is a separate issue), it is that the role of Moderator is still undefined. The Moderation team is still finding their way. They have been roundly criticized for being intrusive, yet there has been a buildup of aggressive and even outright insulting posts.
Audio by it's nature attracts people with some strong opinions, and indeed much audio progress has been made by strong-minded people out to show the world they are right. Still, civility is possible on these forums, and the Moderators are in the process of difining what is allowed and what is not allowed on a day-by-day basis. True, it should have been done before, but at least it is being done now.
One of the problems the Moderators face is that those who think they act too strongly tend to say so, while those who think they should act more to keep the forum on-track simply "vote with their feet" and don't bother posting anymore. Needless to say, this increases the proportion of people on the forum who want a free-for-all. Only by staying can you be one of those who guides the forum toward the right balance of civility and freedom of expression.
Hi,kelticwizard said:
Having read the contents of the 'offensive' post in the subsequent quotation, but not having seen the 'original', I had guessed this must have been what had happened.
As you know, I didn't even bother to report anything to the Moderaters, it was such a futile, irrelevant, and incoherent few sentences, but, nevertheless, I am grateful to you for the action taken.
Whilst the post itself didn't concern me at all, it will show that there is effective 'policing' of the Forum to any member who doubts this.
You may be relieved to hear that I will not be adopting the suggestion made in that post as my mother
is now 89 years old, and by her own admission, is way beyond her "sell by" date! 😉Regards,
Bobken said:
Bobken:
I am indeed happy to hear that the suggesion was not in fact followed. 😉 😉
Thank you for your gratitude, but I did not actually say that I was the one responsible, only that the action had indeed been taken. I did find the post offensive, however.
Since you had mentioned that you had been a target of an offensive post, I just wanted to make sure that you knew the post was not allowed to stand and the writer was held responsible.
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