I intentionally left out those other parts of the review, because they are irrelevant.
I don't care how good the base is, if the high end is unlistenable that disqualifies the entire speaker. Period.
And other comments in the review like "the slight harshness is still there in the highest highs, but it's not too bad" also put into the waste of money category.
I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm certainly not interested in any speaker at any price for which "the high end is unlistenable" and "harshness is not too bad".
Let's face it. This is a junky speaker and is not deserving of any attention on a forum where people are striving for high audio quality. So let's quite wasting time and keystrokes on this loser.
I don't care how good the base is, if the high end is unlistenable that disqualifies the entire speaker. Period.
And other comments in the review like "the slight harshness is still there in the highest highs, but it's not too bad" also put into the waste of money category.
I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm certainly not interested in any speaker at any price for which "the high end is unlistenable" and "harshness is not too bad".
Let's face it. This is a junky speaker and is not deserving of any attention on a forum where people are striving for high audio quality. So let's quite wasting time and keystrokes on this loser.
How the hell did this thread end up discussing tiny active studio monitors, exact opposite of the want list in the original topic. He bought some awesome brand new Tannoys which probably outperform most diy designs or kits any day (considering the number of pitfalls in this hobby). Close the thread and move on. Discussing the value of DIY can be done somewhere else. Most of us do it because it’s fun and we have a decease. If your really talented in research, design and assembly money can definitely be saved but for most of us we build 3-5 pairs before they start work as intended. Kits might be good but also require research and assembly as well, only the design part is taken out (the fun part imo). I think the OP did the right decision due to the lack of interest in DIY itself it makes little sense recommending anything, kits or not. Please stop the discussion comparing large complex 3-way passive diy kits with pro budget studio monitors it’s just embarrassing.
If there is any integrity in you, you owe an apology to this community!
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classicfan, try to google at diyaudio what Maxheadrom diy with thsi little Behringer...
If it has a Vifa embeded in a Wave guide for the tweeter for instance I would not compare it with a kit having a nice Raal ribbons and a kit at 1000 euros plus, but for the price of it, you should put some relatives into your words. And at least now try to listen to one and makes yourself an educated guess.
Btw i find awesome the last Denis Murphy MTM itteration in a tower with rounded back... while it's not diy anymore on that model...
If it has a Vifa embeded in a Wave guide for the tweeter for instance I would not compare it with a kit having a nice Raal ribbons and a kit at 1000 euros plus, but for the price of it, you should put some relatives into your words. And at least now try to listen to one and makes yourself an educated guess.
Btw i find awesome the last Denis Murphy MTM itteration in a tower with rounded back... while it's not diy anymore on that model...
We are saving money for the OP that now changed his hobby, disgusted he is by all this figth, and save many bucks for the psychalysm we are doing here 😀 in spite of doing onre himself !
Btw I asked we discuss the design of his Tannoy. An interesting brand, able of the best as well as the worst; often sounds good but measures bad (their concentric design with integrated coaxial long horn with impulse rersponse in between as large as your sofa)...
I propose we help him if the model is old enough to the filter to be refurbished on the capacitors value and/or with the good guys here helps him on a better diy filter...at least adapted to his home and his hifi.
I totally agree with you and was about to post something similar myself.
Unfortunately, some people from time to time introduce commercially produced speakers here. And once they do it's difficult to not get caught up in the debate. I'm ready to move on, but some others are still trying to discuss this same issue and I'm going to have to respond. Maybe we can finally close this down soon. I sure hope so.
Nonsense. I owe no apology to this community at all.
If anything those who keep trying to introduce commercially produced speakers into this DIY website owe the rest of us an apology.
Look no further than the last few posts to see exactly what I am talking about. Or perhaps you don't really understand the real purpose of this forum.
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nothing bad to introduce commercial designs and some were made here also or tweaked, enhanced, re measured and son on, btw. If it's in the context, no problem; it's often we talk here about commercial products, it's not an inquisition tribunal...
When someone asks for a ready kit to glue and solder, it's not more diy than putting your feets into shoes, then take your legs to a loudspeaker shop.
ok we agree we disagree. What do you propose for the new OP's Tannoy to be enhanced in spite of crying ever and ever on the DIY sacrifice hotel ?
When someone asks for a ready kit to glue and solder, it's not more diy than putting your feets into shoes, then take your legs to a loudspeaker shop.
ok we agree we disagree. What do you propose for the new OP's Tannoy to be enhanced in spite of crying ever and ever on the DIY sacrifice hotel ?
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I believe the speaker he bought is brand new, it was released a few years ago and do great in tests. I have no idea how it measures but people are usually happy with bigger tannoys. I have had many tannoy DC speakers myself in the lower ranges but always been happy.
I believe this is the one he bought. List price around 7000EUR (usually go for 5000), I think he got it for less than 3000 a bargain compared to the monacor kit, resell value waf and all things considered 15” coax is just a lot of fun and this one is probably the best there is.
Legacy series all look great:
Tannoy | Product | ARDEN
Even if he bought it second hand it’s a decent price and still warranty I wouldn’t touch the crossover for another 20 years.
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Fun loudspeakers than Tannoys, not very neutral but fun, there is worse in life than living witrh a Tannoy (remember the gold monitor serie too 🙂 ), I have heard more than one, the last few years ago in a Japan Emporium with an high end hifi room, crazy moment !
At this quality level I assume the filter uses only film caps that don't drift ?!
I will check that first and if the poster can, measure the capacitance value if it has some diy courage in cxase there are electrolytic caps ... the speaker being new enough to check it for the future when it will be needed (ask to remove one leg per capacitor to be measured). Capacitor meter is less 30 GBP.
Often the problem of the classic Tannoy is the horozontal spacing between the center coax and the driver that is not always well integrated in the passive filter, while they pushed the things sometimes until to cryo the cables or the magnet !
At this quality level I assume the filter uses only film caps that don't drift ?!
I will check that first and if the poster can, measure the capacitance value if it has some diy courage in cxase there are electrolytic caps ... the speaker being new enough to check it for the future when it will be needed (ask to remove one leg per capacitor to be measured). Capacitor meter is less 30 GBP.
Often the problem of the classic Tannoy is the horozontal spacing between the center coax and the driver that is not always well integrated in the passive filter, while they pushed the things sometimes until to cryo the cables or the magnet !
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It’s not classic it’s a brand new driver and product, only the design is classic 🙂
Not sure what you mean with horizontal alignment. In a coax that is perfect. Only problem may be time alignment in the z axis but maybe that was what you meant.
Not sure what you mean with horizontal alignment. In a coax that is perfect. Only problem may be time alignment in the z axis but maybe that was what you meant.
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Yep I finally understood and that's why it's the good moment to measure and write the measure of the caps on a paper. If film caps it doesn't matter as they don't drift in time... at least not enough in one's life to be noticed with the ears.
From then in the future and if the op wants with a drawing of the filter and perhaps futur measurements, people can help him to certainly improve this brandnew commercial design, at least adapt it to his listening distance/room...
my diy idea, no more and two cents, YMMV as usual.
From then in the future and if the op wants with a drawing of the filter and perhaps futur measurements, people can help him to certainly improve this brandnew commercial design, at least adapt it to his listening distance/room...
my diy idea, no more and two cents, YMMV as usual.
I think the OP will never return to this forum tbh, for so many reasons but primarily the fact that be bought one of the most awesome speakers ever built and hence never needs to worry about diy again but also secondly threads like this would scare of any diy noob 😉
Oh and since this thread is about everything now. Regarding the Behringer Truth. They are near field studio monitors. They’re not suppose to sound good. They shall only reveal errors in the mix. So they are harsh by design. Like any near field studio monitor. They do what they are suppose to. Like the genelecs. I have genelecs. I hate them. But they have a purpose in mixing. Not to be confused with hifi.
not return without guns and a bible...vaccine, imunity 😉 ... and a bigger room perhaps (Behringer are ok with subs and with the active we explained you can pad down the treble 😉
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I guess the harshness is less by distance. I’ve tried my genelecs with sub by distance. Something is off. I rather have a nice large two way. Like the Tannoys OP bought 🙂
me guys disgusted myself of all that discussion and go back to a little AM radio in a field at countryside...
When we are talking about active studio monitors, coax, diy, and tannoy all in the same thread. I’ve been considering for a while to replace my genelecs with the latest tannoy gold 8. Probably have a smoother sound and may also fit hifi a little more. Anyone heard it? My biggest problem with monitors though it the absence of grills. Is that only to sell more? My genelecs have grill though. I like that. Rugged. Anyway I’d love if tannoy would release a passive version of the gold with a grill. Maybe I can just order the driver and build cabinet and xo myself. That would be a good diy project relevant to this thread.
Tannoy | Product | GOLD 8
Tannoy | Product | GOLD 8
This Behringer is a terrible speaker for high fidelity listening and was never intended for that purpose. Its high end distortion would drive most people out of the room as the previously referenced review revealed.
See fabricadetabaco's Post #114 and you will understand why it is not worthy of any discussion whatsoever on this forum.
So can we please move on and stop wasting time discussing this speaker any more. If should never have been introduced here in the first place.
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